©6-11-2011 by Donna Cunningham
Note: This test is a work in process and is being updated for clarity and accuracy as feedback comes in. A big thank you to readers who took the original test and submitted their scores and comments. For the convenience of those who took the original test and want to update their results, revisions are shown in red. It also includes a downloadable version of the test.
This is a test to measure the strength of stelliums or multiple conjunctions and therefore to find out their comparative strength. It’s similar to the tests I’ve created to measure the strength of a single planet or element in your horoscope. They’ve been a popular feature on Skywriter—you can see links to them here: Planetary Tests. (The test for Pluto tops the list, since nearly 15,000 people have taken that test so far.)
You may wonder why I’ve assigned a certain numerical value to some chart features and a lesser one for another. These aren’t scientific measures, of course—that would be impossible. They’re just estimates based on over 40 years of observing clients, notables, and friends through the lens of their charts. That’s why I’d value your feedback on how well this test measures stelliums and multiple conjunctions. Try it out on charts in your collection.
Many of you will want to include dozens of asteroids, Black Lillith, the vertex, antivertex, chart ruler, and myriads of other chart features in your stellium. If I included all the possible influences, the test would be hopelessly complicated and there would be no such thing as a standard score. Even though they might strengthen your score, don’t report them here in the comment section.
As for why the outermost planets get higher scores than the inner planets, it’s because they are observably higher in impact on our world. They relate to issues and trends in the collective–global and universal trends rather than personal ones–and therefore the person with the outer planets strongly featured in the horoscope is more attuned to such issues and more likely to come up with solutions or the next big step in humanity’s evolution.
(A note on orbs: The orb for a conjunction is usually 8° but can be extended to 10° in a multiple conjunction if Planet A and Planet B are conjunct, while Planet B and Planet C are conjunct, but Planets A and C are slightly too wide for a conjunction.)
Note: For the most accurate picture, don’t use Whole Sign Houses to score this test, as in that system, the house cusps are automatically set at 0° of the sign on the cusp. Thus, any stellium by sign is automatically a stellium by house as well, skewing the scores. The same would apply to the Equal House system.
How to Find the Impact Score: (Download a printable version here: Stellium Test 1 page.)
Check what you’re measuring: ___ 4 planet stellium ___3 planet multiple conjunction ___4 planet multiple conjunction ____ Other: ________________
_____A. 5 points per planet in a stellium or in a multiple conjunction* placed in the same house, regardless of sign. (So, 3 planets=15, 4=20, and so on. The Nodes, Ascendant, and Midheaven are not counted here but further down in the test.)
_____B. 4 points per planet in a stellium or in a multiple conjunction placed in the same sign, regardless of house. (Where a stellium is in one house and sign, both
sets of points count.)
_____ C. 7 points if the Sun or Moon is included in the group. (If both of them are included, the total is 14.)
_____ D. 7 points per outermost planet (Saturn, Chiron, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) included in the group.
_____ E. 5 points per inner planet included in the group.
_____F. 4 points for each separate conjunction involved in the stellium or multiple conjunction. (For example, a conjunction of Mars-Pluto-Uranus scores 4 for Mars-Pluto, 4 for Pluto-Uranus, and 4 for Mars-Uranus, for a total of 12.)
_____ G. 4 extra points per planet that is part of the group AND is also within 10° of the Ascendant or Midheaven (in the Gauquelin sectors) or within 5° of the North or
South Node. (No points for a planet that is in the group but not conjunct the Ascendant, Midheaven, or Node.)
_____H. HIGH PROFILE BONUS: Add 10 points if the stellium or multiple conjunction is in the 1st, 10th, or the 9th near the Midheaven, as these are the positions of most visibility to the public.
_____I. LOW PROFILE DEDUCTION: Subtract 10 points if the stellium or multiple conjunction is in the 12th, 4th, 8th or 6th house, as these are positions where the person is uncomfortable in the public eye and may be less visible.
Total_______
Readers, since this is a brand new test, I have no idea what would be a moderate score vs. a blockbuster, so please tell me what kinds of scores you’re getting by posting them in the comment section. Thanks for your participation in this process–your questions are helping me to make the instructions clearer.
UPDATE: READ THIS: Free Q&A Session Coming Saturday, June 18—Transits to Stelliums
Articles about Stelliums on Skywriter:
- Readers Ask: Question and Answer Session on Stelliums by House
- Four Big Things You May Not Know about Stelliums
- New Test! Impact Scores for Stelliums and Multiple Conjunctions (comment section has feedback and scores)
- The Incredible Vulnerability a Stellium Creates
- Readers’ Insights into their own Stelliums
- A Few Last Insights into Stelliums from Readers
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i have mars-venus-sun respectively at 12,14,18 of capricorn- house 9 begins at 18 capricorn
saturn,mercury,jupiter at 0,3, and 12 aquarius. The MC is at 10 aquarius
it appears aquarius is stronger but im not sure wether the capricorn planets more towards the 9th or 8th houses
By: paul on June 11, 2011
at 6:28 am
Not to make it more complicated, but the cusps (house divisions) depend on the house system you’re using. I recommend that people with stelliums try out several house systems to see which most accurately describes the events and situations in their lives. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 11, 2011
at 7:27 am
well i use placidus. Sun in 9 but Mars-venus in 8 might decrease the number of points a bit
But in equal house Capricorn is all in h8, aquarius is all in 9 but Jupiter,Mercury and South node are conjunct MC in h9
By: paul on June 11, 2011
at 10:11 am
Equal House skews the results, because the cusps are rigidly fixed–and the Midheaven is hidden. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 11, 2011
at 2:06 pm
what if the ruler of one conjunction is involved in another conjunction?
My capricorn stellium is ruled by saturn which is in aquarius with jupiter,mewrcury MC and S. Node
By: paul on June 11, 2011
at 11:21 am
No extra points for that.
By: Donna Cunningham on June 11, 2011
at 2:06 pm
My oh my, I got a score of 117, after subtracting 10 points. My stellium is 6 planets, all conjunct, and only one planet is out of sign, and all in the 8th house.
I wonder if this is why I come across too intensely for some people. I have those days where I’m “on” and in your face, and others where I quietly withdraw – which feels so typically Scorpio and not at all Leo, which is the sign of my stellium.
It feels bipolar to me at times, but I always wrote it off to PMS. Now that I’m postmenopausal, I no longer have that excuse.
By: Marsha Massino on June 11, 2011
at 7:14 am
Big score, Marsha–that lion must roar some days! If Pluto in Leo is part of the stellium, that’s part of the reason you’d have some Scorpio traits, especially during times when the Moon or inner planets are in Scorpio. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 11, 2011
at 7:25 am
Marsha, yes, a crowded 8th is something to contend with, I am right there with you.
By: Reenie on June 11, 2011
at 1:07 pm
Hello,
I got 72 for a triple conjunction (Mercury-Saturn-Pluto) in Libra in the 1st house! I think it´s a lot.
Then I got 44 for another triple conjunction (Jupiter Mars-Uranus) in Scorpio/Sagittarius the 2nd house, which sounds a little more moderate.
Best,
Elise
By: elise on June 11, 2011
at 8:06 am
I got 65 on the first test, but now I got 95, so I’m not sure about the math A: 4 planets: 20. B: In VIrgo: 16. C: Sun and Moon: 14. D: Pluto and Uranus: 14. E: 0. F: Pr conj: 16. G: Moon conj MC: 4 H: 9th house.
By: Natalie on June 11, 2011
at 8:35 am
I got 66 for my Cancer stellium: Mars & Moon in 9th, MC, Jupiter & Sun in 10th. Jupiter & Moon run the show
By: indigirl on June 11, 2011
at 8:52 am
I scored a 47 (after subtracting 10 points for 8th house) under the revised rules. A much higher score than my first attempt and it feels about right. Like some other 8th house folks, I tend to stay in the background, or at least try not to tempt authority figures, and stuff my feelings until my Uranus senses a power trip in the works. then I “liberate” myself but pay dearly. I’m trying to learn how to handle the extremes.
Best, Amy
By: Amy on June 11, 2011
at 8:53 am
My daughter was born 11/26/82 she has sun+uranus 4′sag, merc 8′sag, ven 9′sag in the 9th. Nep 25′sag cj MH 21′ sag. I think her score is 124. (Koch + Placidus). If I use Porphyry her Jup 23′Scorp is in the 9th also and her score might be 128. Rising sign is Pisces 14′. She’s a super sag. 2 MS degrees in engineering, works for military on missle design, travels frequently, very independent, runs marathons, considering a PhD, not married.
By: Nett on June 11, 2011
at 12:22 pm
I got 43 again, I think that’s what I scored last time anyway. Scorpio stellium split between the 7th/8th. I subtracted 10 points.
By: Annie on June 11, 2011
at 1:02 pm
Hi Donna,
My score is 126, 5 planets in Virgo in the 8th, 4 planets in Gemini and 2 plus the Node in Leo. All my planets are in the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th house. I’m pretty sure I added it right.
It’s the outer planets plus sun and moon the jolted the score.
By: Reenie on June 11, 2011
at 1:03 pm
Great power in the Mercury-ruled signs–your mind must be very busy, day and night. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 11, 2011
at 2:09 pm
Donna you are right, the times my mind is quiet are so are so rare, and so beautiful.
Reenie
By: Reenie on June 11, 2011
at 2:19 pm
I got 69
9th house Virgo
Pluto at 0
Sun at 7
Mars at 14
MC at 15
and to square it off (pun intended) Sat at 7of Sag,in my first house.
By: Hillsky on June 11, 2011
at 1:33 pm
I got 56 points for my triple conjunction of Mars, Pluto and Mercury in the 7th house in Libra
By: Yamile Yemoonyah on June 11, 2011
at 1:39 pm
Harness that mind, and you’ve got real manifestation mojo! Read about it here: http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/its-time-to-use-your-manifestation-mojo/ Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 11, 2011
at 2:12 pm
Haha, yes, I know! I started to realize my manifestation power a a while ago and am applying it mainly to my career goals right now (transiting Pluto in 10th house). I went from being on social welfare to sustaining myself through my self-built online business. And I’m not done yet! I’m on a fantastic journey and enjoying every minute of it
p.s I bought the Venus/Mars-outer planets ebook. With Pluto, Uranus, Mars and Mercury in Libra, 7th house, I definitely had to buy it!
By: Yamile Yemoonyah on June 12, 2011
at 12:45 am
Good going, Yamile! Transits can bring strengths and powers of a stellium to fruition. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 12, 2011
at 4:58 am
I took this for my husband: Uranus/Sun/Moon (tight conjunctions) plus Venus all in Cancer in the 11th house all in supersensitive Cancer: 84 in the house of friendship. Fondest expression? ” One big happy family!”
By: Lee Gordon on June 11, 2011
at 1:43 pm
Koch system reads at a lower score than Equal house, 66 to 82pts.
The different read being the Leo Pluto 1 degree out of orb and over in 3rd. in Koch System.
But The Koch feels more of a true read to me.
The last post for this topic test scores has my particulars about my 2nd house Leo 4 planet stellium.
By: ejrunyon on June 11, 2011
at 3:00 pm
Hi, EJ. When a planet is that close to the cusp, we can never be sure where it really begins–the birth time easily could be off by a few minutes–so I’d tend to count it as part of the stellium. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 11, 2011
at 3:54 pm
I have 107, though I *really* wish I could add another 4 for a wide (12) orb Saturn-Sun conjunction, which people seem to pick up on and I feel. Oh well, I’ve more than enough to keep me in trouble heh heh
By: Dizzy on June 11, 2011
at 3:26 pm
Oh yes, fwiw- the stellium is within 12 degrees in Libra. All planets in 7th excepting Sun, who is in 8th.
By: Dizzy on June 11, 2011
at 3:28 pm
Hi Donna. 71 points here. Mercury-Sun-SoNode-MidHeaven-Venus all in Taurus (13-25 degrees). Based on prior testing, it’s the 90point Sun that’s Alpha. This bullish powerhouse certainly hinders development of my Scopio NoNode! urghhhh
By: Dixie on June 11, 2011
at 4:03 pm
Alpha Sun, no doubt about it! Well, it lends some fire to all that fixed earth. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 11, 2011
at 4:25 pm
Hello Donna,
58, mercury 16, sun 22, pluto 24, all in Leo , all in 3rd house…funny thing i never considered my mercury conjunct pluto,since i never went past 7 degrees for conjunctions !?
By: Louise Valiquet on June 11, 2011
at 5:20 pm
Yes, I’ ve always used 8 degrees for conjunctions, and also since both Mercury and Pluto are conjunct the Sun, it’s a triple conjunction anyway. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 11, 2011
at 6:31 pm
I’m confused. Do I get to use both A and B? I have four planets in the tenth house, so that’s 20 points. Three of them are in the same sign – do I get to add 12 more points?
By: Charles on June 11, 2011
at 5:30 pm
A is for planets in a house if it’s a stellium (4=20); B is for planets in sign if there is a stellium by sign, which it sounds like it’s not a stelliium by sign, so no points. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 11, 2011
at 6:29 pm
OK, gotcha – thanks.
So here’s the spread: MC 11 Vi, UR 12 Vi, PL 15 Vi, ME 26 Vi, and Sun 7 Li, all in the 10th, giving me a score of 68. So I guess that’s how 10th-house-ian I am, but should I drop points since Uranus, which can be anti-10th house, is in the mix?
If I look at it as a stellium-by-sign, which might make sense, since some house systems put the Sun in the 11th, I get 53 points. So that’s how Virgoan I am. Would I add points since Mercury is in the mix? But, wait – if I were determining how Virgoan I am, I would consider other factors, such as the strength of Chiron, no? So that’s not what this says. Hmmm….
I couldn’t really say that the house is stronger than the sign for me – they both seem pretty strong – but, I dunno, you might have to ask someone who knows me well, (if you can find one).
Not sure if I buy into this whole point system, and what it would seem to imply, but glad that we’re working it out. Not sure if I’ve helped….
By: Charles on June 11, 2011
at 7:11 pm
Thanks for simplifying it, Chas (not!!). With only three planets in Virgo, it doesn’t count as a stellium by sign–you get points later in the test for each of them that form conjunctions to the Midheaven. (They form a killer triple conjunction, however–no wonder you’re such a smart, painstaking fella.) But it’s definitely a stellium by house.
Nope, don’t deduct points for Uranus in the 10th. It’s a stellar placement and not likely to hide its gifts for long, even though it’s counter-culture. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 12, 2011
at 5:08 am
I have 78 points for my 5 planets stellium in my 8th house. If I increase the orb for conjunction to about 10.5 degree, it will be 86 points. The lower points may be consistent with the fact that my stellium only controls 2 out of 5 empty houses if I count Chiron, or 3 out of 6 empty houses if I don’t count Chiron.
By: Nathan on June 11, 2011
at 6:53 pm
I scored an 80 for my 4 planet Libra stellium in the 12th House.
I’m not sure if this was addressed already, but do squares/trines to other housed planets count at all? Thanks Donna!
By: inaness on June 11, 2011
at 10:01 pm
Hi, inaness, long time no see. Aspects to the stellium planets don’t count as part of the stellium score, but they do complicate–and energize–the picture. Those are the dynamic forces that help bring out a stellium’s potential. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 12, 2011
at 5:02 am
I have a 5 planet stellium (plus the North Node) in the 3rd consisting of….
Jupiter at 18 Libra
Mars at 25 Libra
Neptune at 2 Scorpio
Sun at 9 Scorpio
North Node at 10 Scorpio
Mercury at 15 Scorpio
I am not sure if I calculated this correctly but based on my understanding of each scoring section, I accrued a total of 95 points:
A. – 25 for having 5 planets in one house;
B – 7 points for the Sun being included in the stellium
C – 12 points (4 each for Sun, Mercury & Neptune in same sign)
D – 7 points for Neptune (being an outer planet involved in the stellium)
E – 20 points (5 each for inner planets Sun, Mercury, Mars and Jupiter in stellium)
F – 12 points (4 each for Sun/Neptune, Sun/Mercury and Mars/Jupiter conjunction)
G – 12 points (4 each for Sun, Neptune and Mercury conjunct North Node)
H & I = 0 points
By: Debra on June 11, 2011
at 10:16 pm
I so love these tests, Donna!
I’ve got 163 points for my two stelliums, 86 points for my 3rd house Virgo stellium and 77 points for my 9th house Pisces stellium (here I didn’t include the very wide Sun-Saturn conjunction in Pisces when counting the points for the separate conjunctions, i.e. Saturn at 9 and Sun at 25 brought together by Venus-Chiron at 18).
Jaana
By: Jaana on June 11, 2011
at 11:13 pm
Whoa! You may be the champ, Jaana! And all the more so because the two stelliums are in the opposite signs and houses, creating a great need to balance the two sets of needs and interests. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 12, 2011
at 4:59 am
I have 4 planets in the 9th house- a triple conjunction of the inner planets: Mercury (27’57″), Mars (25’06″), and Venus (“19’56″) in Aries, and then Chiron (9’59″) in the Gauquelin section of the 9th, conjunct the MC (16’13″) and though a bit wider orb, my Sun (18’28″) in Taurus. Forgot to include the score: a 42, without including Chiron.
Would this constitute a stellium in the 9th, even though Chiron is not conjunct the other 3 planets? In personal experience, I’ve discovered that Chiron is a key planet in my chart- perhaps due to it being in that special section of the 9th? I find it highly influential to my life path as I am a healer and natural teacher, and with 5 planets (Sun, Moon, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) involved in a Chiron influenced Yod formation, Chiron’s influence in my chart is undeniable, and I believe makes my 9th house stronger, though it does feel a bit on it’s own from that triplet’s influence.
Thanks for these assessments, Donna!!
By: curious on June 12, 2011
at 2:49 am
There are two kinds of stelliums, Curious–stelliums by sign and stelliums by house–and the planets don’t have to be conjunct one another. You have a righteous stellium by house, especially with Chiron conjunct the Midheaven. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 12, 2011
at 4:57 am
My score is around 108 or might be 187 if what I have is a double stellium and I calculated the conjunctions correctly. I may have under-valued conjunctions in Part (F) due to lack of astrology knowledge. I know this is long. I didn’t feel I could report a score of 187 without the details. I do know my stellium is very powerful and Pluto is in charge!
I have a 6 planet stellium in 9th
Plus a 5 planet stellium in Leo (if this counts, since I counted same planets in 9th house stellium above)
I have:
Sun in Cancer at 27′ in 9 (Leo cusp)
Mercury in Leo at 15′ in 9
Venus in Leo at 23′ in 9
Mars in Leo at 18′ in 9
Uranus in Leo at 6′ in 9
Pluto in Leo at 29′ in 9
A – 30 points for having 6 planets in 9
(Probably have multiple conjunctions too, don’t know enough to figure that out.)
B – 20 points for having 5 planets in Leo
C – 7 points for having Sun in 9
D – 14 points for having Uranus and Pluto in 9
– 14 points for having Uranus and Pluto in Leo (if this is counted also)
E – 15 points for having Mercury, Venus and Mars in 9
– 15 points for having Mercury, Venus and Mars in Leo (if this is counted)
F – 44 points for conjunctions (24 pts for conjuncts in 9 + 20 pts for conjuncts in Leo)
(I’m not sure both of them count)
– Sun conjunct Uranus
– Mercury conjunct Venus, Mars, and Uranus
– Venus conjunct Mars and Pluto
G – 4 points for having Venus conjunct MC
– 4 points for having Pluto conjunct MC
H – 10 points Bonus for stellium in 9
– 10 points Bonus for stellium in Leo (if this is counted also)
So, my score is either around 108 or 187.
Adding to the mixture:
Scorpio Ascendant
Moon in Taurus in 6
Neptune and True Node in 12 in Scorpio
In a post on stelliums a few days ago, I think you asked for comments on how we experience our stelliums, so here goes.
Pluto leads the pack! He is at 29’47’45′ of MC in 9 (I experience Pluto as most dominate of my stellium. Add Scorpio ascendant for reinforcement!) It feels like Pluto is more in charge than Leo, though Leo characteristics insist on presenting sometimes too much. Pluto and I are good friends now that I’ve learned how not to resist him so much! I’ve transformed many times. I study everything, very academic. I travel extensively. No surprise either! I do love to talk also.
An astrologer told me that I will enjoy travel in foreign places. I’ve come to understand that I AM the foreigner! I think my stellium/s make me feel foreign. Everywhere I go even usual stomping grounds and conversations in familiar relationships, it is like I am visiting for the first time observing, discovering, and learning new things and usually seeing a deeper truth than those around me.
Pluto and the powerhouse in 9 described above used to get me some odd labels esp from my family. Now that I moderately understand the astrological energy, I don’t feel as crazy as people used to say I was! Astrology has brought so much order and understanding to my world! I can better utilize flower essences too now that I’m clearer on where the hot spots are. This information on stelliums is particularly valuable to me.
Love this blog, Donna! Thank you for all you put into it and freely teach!
Terri
By: Terri on June 12, 2011
at 9:30 am
Testet only 58 myself, but checked my nephew with 104 (born prenatally, disabled) – 5 planets incl sun, PLUTO plus nnode all in scorpio in 5. He is a plutonian whenever you saw one, uses his disability to manipulate. He is the flagship plutonian in a plutonian family…. incl sun, jupiter and pluto as apex of a tSquare with mars/moon opposition, need I say more.
By: annette on June 12, 2011
at 10:11 am
I got 66 points for my 8th house Sagittarius stellium
4 planets, Sun, Moon, Saturn, and Uranus, with the Sun, Moon, and Saturn in conjunction. I dont think the 8th house is very strong with me… I have had a total lack of everything 8th house related in my life. But my Sag is very, very strong.
By: Lizzie on June 12, 2011
at 12:55 pm
There are quite a number of articles about the 8th house on this blog–a very intricate house that has to do with much more than sex and death. Use the onsite search engine or look under the category “houses” Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 12, 2011
at 4:09 pm
Interesting! My Saggitarius stellium (Uranus, Jupiter conjunct Midheaven, Neptune) got a 48, and my 8th/9th house Scorpio stellium (Mercury, Sun, Saturn conjunct Pluto) got a 47 (assuming I did my math right, of course).
I do feel that I manage to balance those energies well most of the time, so it would make sense that they’re about even.
These test are great, thank you for putting them together!
By: Miya on June 12, 2011
at 4:45 pm
Donna,
I always find these tests illuminating and a hell of lot of fun thank you. My Scorpio stellium in the 1st nets 65 points and my multiple Virgo conj in the 10th gets another 70 …feels right overall. I’m work hard play hard and intense is a apt adjective that describes me to a T. Neptune rules the Scorpio stellium and our little friend Pluto rules the multiple conj…dreamy intensity or big dreams:)
By: Patrice on June 12, 2011
at 6:37 pm
Using these specs:Jupiter 29, Chiron 2, Neptune 5 and Asc. 9…..= 76
By: Barehand on June 12, 2011
at 7:00 pm
Hi Donna
I get 116 for this new version, for a single 5 planet stellium in Scorpio in the 10th. I counted only 1 planet conjunct the MC, though could add another if I went to 10 degrees not 8.
Almost the same as Marsha, and likewise intense!
Yours,
MRL
By: MRL on June 12, 2011
at 9:15 pm
Oh, thanks for bringing that up! I do count a planet within 10 degrees of the Ascendant or MH as conjunct–the Gauquelin sectors. I’ll have to make that change on the test. However, on reflection, I think 10 is too wide for a Node conjunction, so I’ve changed the orb to 5 degrees.
Thanks for your questions, folks! It’s helping me to make changes so that the instructions are clearer. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 13, 2011
at 6:13 am
79 points for Mars-Moon-Venus in Aquarius in the 10th house conjunct the MC. I’ve noticed I ‘do’ the planets in the order they appear in my chart – Mars first, then Moon and finally Venus
By: Mandi on June 13, 2011
at 4:22 am
Hi, Mandi, yes you’re exactly right–the transits, you see, are setting off the planets in the stellium in sequence, though if they’re conjunct, the direct-retrograde-direct motion across the swatch makes it several repetitions of the same or similar issues coming to a head. I definitely need to write about transits to stelliums. Big, meaty stuff. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 13, 2011
at 6:23 am
138 with new guidelines. Leo stellium in the 10th and 9th H Cancer mulitple conjunction. Can’t wait to see the results of your research Donna! Will you publish somewhere the paper you’ll be presenting?
By: Pep on June 13, 2011
at 4:28 am
Eventually I’ll publish it–or maybe sell the MP3. Lots of pieces yet to develop, and the cool thing is, I’m also finding out a lot of things I didn’t know I knew. I want to do some more Q&A sessions on stelliums, but am pondering exactly how to keep it simple enough to answer on a blog. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 13, 2011
at 6:21 am
Hi Donna, I have done the test.. been busy or would have checked sooner. I scored 89 on my stellium of nep (conj MC)→ven→sat→moon
(black moon and ceres are in the mix but I did not count them as per your request)
. It seems right and does influence the my standing in the world to a great degree. There will shortly be a Saturn visitation across this stellium and these days (it is still in 9th to move into 10th in sep) there does seem to be a lot of prep for a new geclee card line and other art related biz. while my head is still clear from saturn’s last conj. with mercury and subsequent □ to natal mars. I have been making lots contacts since then. Lets hope sat. lends some corporeality to the first of the stellium contacts, nep. which will hopefully not throw mud on my own best efforts. ……. Last time, after working a few years of a body of work in film I went on tour with them when sat. went into 10th. When sat. hit nep. everything went squishy and existential again for awhile which seemed to charm those who expect such things from artists (ven) until it got too intense (sat) and I just wanted to crawl into a cocoon (moon) etc…, aloha, U P
sorry failed to mention that the bodies and planets of my stellium are all in the “Via combust” or late libra, early scorpio.
By: uhane on June 13, 2011
at 3:09 pm
I am wondering ..are you going to extend the test to consider other aspects to the stellium, such as T squares and grand trines?
By: uhane on June 13, 2011
at 3:11 pm
Nope. Every chart feature has aspects, and figuring out how they all fit together is what chart interpretation is all about. But to add all the features that a stellium is connected to would make the test impossibly complicated. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 14, 2011
at 3:26 am
Hi, I’m so very grateful for finding your site and all the wonderful info you provide.
I’d not heard of stelliums until now…it seems I have two, 4 planets in my 11th house cancer/leo and 4 in my 12th leo/virgo. I scored 141 after deducting for 12th house.
I have also done all the other tests and well what can I say I’m a living contradiction…..I’ve always felt different to say the least….now I know why
By: Sammi on June 13, 2011
at 3:21 pm
How neat to discover such an important part of your self! I think you’ll find it an interesting and helpful journey. There are a number of articles about the 12th house–a whole series starting here: http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/readers-ask-q-a-about-the-12th-house. Since I, too, have a stellium in the 11th, there are also a number of articles about the 11th and friendship. See the links here: http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/boundaries-and-friendship-are-you-and-your-friend-codependent/ Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 14, 2011
at 3:23 am
Thanks Donna for the suggested readings….I’ve read through the 12th house and it is sooo much clearer now for me, I was a doormat but maturity has bought awareness,one thing I don’t understand is transits and how they can make things better or bring understanding? Can you direct me to any articles where I can gain more understanding and read examples please
By: Sammi on June 14, 2011
at 7:14 pm
my score is 149. 11th house. starts with uranus, venus, jupiter, sun, mercury, mars, pluto.
By: syra L on June 14, 2011
at 1:54 pm
Thanks for the update Donna! I tested out three groups (A and B from my comment on the first version).
A. Multi conj in Libra .. old score: 45 // new score: 48
B. 5th house stellium .. old score: 41 // new score: 65
I feel good adding these together because there are no planets shared between the two groups even though they are knocking on each others doors .. total: 113
Pretty fun! The only score that changed a ton was for that big six-planet pile up that is not within one sign or one house but does all fall within 30 deg of arc. That went from 68 to 90 (and incorporates the above A and B groups) .. although I’m still not sure its a “stellium” or just a traffic jam.
Thanks again for another stellium-themed post!
By: Samala on June 14, 2011
at 2:50 pm
Awesome test, im so glad i just happened to stumble on this now when its so recent and popular!
I got 136… Maybe someone would like to check to see if it adds up. I have 5 planets in the first house and 6 if u include venus at 0.01 , which i did for this test. I have the sun, mercury and neptune in capricorn all conjunct i think, and sagittarius venus uranus and ascendant. Seems oddly high! I can relate to another person who scored 117 in that the mood swings sometimes seem kind of extreme. I def have a big personality that i cant stop, but i think all the stelliums challenge eachother sometimes. Usually i count venus in my 12th house where it actually is but since its at 0.01 degrees i heard cusps can someyimes mean both
By: Alicia on June 18, 2011
at 9:07 pm
I am going to own up to loving this and getting to understand stelliums..but I am struggling (but determined to get it sorted!)..could someone help me out please? Neptune Libra 16.53; Sun Libra 11.43; Venus 1.37 all 9 th House. Saturn Virgo 25.05; Mercury (love him, my fave guy!) 24.14 and lastly (eek!) Pluto Leo 19.21 all 8th House. One thing it did lead me to look at was the ‘empty Houses’..oh yes..absolutely spot on!!!
Thank you so much to anyone who gets to grips with numbers better than I do…
By: Penny on June 24, 2011
at 11:19 am
70 points: pluto/moon conjuct then venus/uranus conjunct (7 degrees apart). This occurs in my 5th house.
When I was much younger I enjoyed a peculiar combination of sports and art/dance (now it doesn’t puzzle me since both are ruled by the 5th house). I also have a Sun/Mercury conjunct. in Virgo. As much as I wanted to write The Great American Novel, I went the practical route by using 5th house skills to create new things in academic settings (oh, and the venus/uranus combo helps with charming grumpy old professors, resistant students, or bewildered returning students who wouldn’t had been as receptive to learning & libraries)!
By: kristy on June 30, 2011
at 5:08 am
Well, I have a 5 planet stellium in Capricorn; (Mercury, Moon, Venus, Mars, Neptune) BUT they aren’t all conjunct so I’m not sure if its really considered a stellium. (Mercury-Moon conjunct- 7th house; Mars-Venus conj.- 8th house; Venus-Neptune conj.- 8th house)
I wasn’t quite sure of the directions but I’m PRETTY confident I did it correctly. I did the 3 Planet Multiple Conjunction. My total was 42. It WOULD’VE been 52 but I had to subtract because of the conjunction in my 8th house.
By: Tae on June 30, 2011
at 10:30 am
As long as it more than 4 planets in a sign or house, it’s a stellium, as long as it’s not Sun, Mercury, Venus as 3 of them. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on June 30, 2011
at 11:26 am
Ran the test for my pal Ivy who is the proud owner of a 6 planet Libra stellium in the 7th house and she gets a whopping: 132 points! Whew. (Planets include Pluto, Saturn, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mercury.)
By: Samala on July 2, 2011
at 4:45 pm
I scored 75 on my Libra stellium gathered around my Ascendant. I’m not sure I counted right Saturn 14, Venus 15, Asc 17, Neptune 20 all square Uranus 17 Cancer conj MC 20 Cancer from 9th. I was born in IN home of nightmare accurate birthtimes. I think this is correct because the Sabian symbol for my MC is so accurate. I am a musician (electronic) and singer. I can see very little but music and love.I have paid dearly for this personally but wouldn’t change a thing!
By: Ava J Bellomy on July 2, 2011
at 10:58 pm
Donna, I think I got a 107
I have Uranus 5′ Capricorn, Sun 6′ Capricorn, Moon 8′ Capricorn, Neptune 11′ Capricorn, Saturn 15′ Capricorn, and Mercury 25′ Capricorn. I did not count Mercury fully because of the degree variance, and since it is in my 5th house where the others are all in my 4th house.
Interesting notes are that my Jupiter is in 5′ Cancer, Opposite the Sun, Moon, Uranus, and Neptune, and that my Rising Sign is in Virgo (another earth sign).
I’d love to read your thoughts! (Haven’t seen too many scores listed in the low-100 range).
-Scott
By: Scott on July 11, 2011
at 11:48 pm
HI, Scott, welcome to Skywriter. That’s one impressive multiple conjunction–I’d count it as six planets in the conjunction since they are a sequence of conjunctions all within 10 degrees.
5 of them for Uranus,
3 additional for the Sun
2 additional for the Moon
1 additional for Saturn
Sun and Moon as part of the group
2 outer planets ” ” ”
I suspect you’ve scored yourself too low, because you need to score each conjunction in that string, then the stellium by sign (which would include Mercury) AND the stellium by house (which would not include Mercury). Try again. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on July 12, 2011
at 2:46 am
I recalculated per your insights and came up with a score of 139 (149-10 for the 4th house). I think that’s a more accurate number
~Scott
By: Scott on July 13, 2011
at 2:43 am
There you go, Scott! I knew it had to be more than that, with such a huge stellium. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on July 13, 2011
at 3:22 am
Hi, Donna
I think I have what you call a “power house” stellium. I scored 123, if I did the math correctly.
Here are the details:
- Sun, Mercury, Mars, Venus, and Uranus in the 1st house.
- Sun, Venus, Uranus, and Ascendant close conjunct (within 2 degrees) in Scorpio.
- Mercury and Mars close conjunct (within 3 degrees) in Sagittarius, with Neptune a few degrees off of conjunct, still in Sagittarius.
This is interesting… I think the stellium of 1st house planets makes up for a near-lack of cardinal energy elsewhere in my chart. If you’re interested in looking more closely, for whatever reason, I’ll send you my birth info. I’d be interested in what you have to say, since the energy of my first house stellium has often beguiled me. I try to use it constructively!
Thanks! Your site is fantastic.
By: juniperjupiter on July 23, 2011
at 11:50 am
Hi, JJ. Usually Sun-Mercury-Venus doesn’t count in a stellium of 4 planets as they’re always within close range, but in this case, it’s 5 planets, so I’d say yes. Besides the 1st house planets, Mars in the first would addsome cardinality. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on July 23, 2011
at 1:29 pm
Ah, ha! Thanks… that makes a lot of sense.
By: juniperjupiter on July 25, 2011
at 5:40 pm
Hi! Awsome test
I have 5 planets on Sag, 4th house + Lilith.
) . mabe I´m yrong in my counting? what yould this mean please
?
Sun, Uranus, Venus, mercury, Neptune and the Lilith. i don´t know if this one is a planet or not, and how much point should it be given. so for the 5 other planets, I think I scored 24 ??? ( yes defenetly not comfortable in public
By: Dina on August 1, 2011
at 3:16 am
Not Lillith, Nodes, or any of the dozen asteroids people are using. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on August 1, 2011
at 6:46 am
I retested myself and got a 68 for my Mars/Uranus/Pluto in Virgo stellium in the 1st house.
Not sure yet who is alpha dog in the stellium. Likely Pluto although when I did the planetary tests, Mars scored higher.
By: Mahchi on August 4, 2011
at 7:22 pm
Well my daughter one of those babies born Jan.12, 1994. She came early (never thought she would be born then…told people no she will not come at that time) Ha.
She has a score of 140. & 7 planets in a stellium/ Capricorn/2house . Capricorn starting at the cusb at16 Mars at 17 ending at Moon 29.. So she was born with the there Moon too…Soon to be 18 years old. Sag raising but I had to hold for her in school because she seemed slow & not bright. She was slow but very bright & a bit of a perfectionist , very steady as she matures.
By: Marcie on August 21, 2011
at 1:05 am
Here from TMA! Your article hit home considering I have Saturn, Neptune and Uranus in Capricorn, as well as my Moon. All are in the seventh house, so I scored 88. This whole setup is opposite my Ascendant and Sun, so I feel a constant battle between myself and others. Thank you for all your amazing work!
By: Amanda on September 10, 2011
at 3:31 pm
Welcome, Amanda! Glad you liked the article on stelliums. I’m hoping to hear more from your generation as time goes on, because it’s exceptional grouping of planets, and nobody besides yourselves really know what it’s like to live it. What did you think of Wendell Perry’s article on Neptune in Capricorn? Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on September 10, 2011
at 6:23 pm
Hi,
if I count Chiron my score is 95, without it it’s 75, still pretty high I’d say. I have Saturn, Mercury, Sun, Venus and Chiron (+ north node) in Aries, in the 12th house (AC is Taurus, so the ruler of the AC is the part of the stellium, MC is in Capricorn, so the ruler of the MC is also there).
Sat, Mer, Sun and Ven are conjuct whereas Chiron is conjuct to the node.
I am certainly opinionated and have strong likes and dislikes and usually I have a clear idea what I want etc, but I still do not feel like your typical Aries. However I don’t feel like Pisces either. So I don’t know. I think my Saturn is pretty strong.
I cannot make sense of my 12th house. What would be the strength of the stellium in the 12th? Or what would be the best way to express it?
By: Ari on September 13, 2011
at 2:21 pm
Hello, Ari. Use the seach engine on the top right hand corner of this blog and type in “12th house” or “twelfth house.” You’ll find a series of articles on the 12th house, including one on 12th house Suns. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on September 13, 2011
at 3:52 pm
I have the Sun on a course where it eclipses a few planets in a row over a few days. It was eclipsing Jupiter and Uranus on my birthday, but Jupiter was in the preceding sign. This was happening on my Ascendant. I got a 62 for this, and I left out Neptune, despite being conjunct Jupiter, for simplicity, as well as not counting parallels in this case. I also have a 1st house rather than a 12th house stellium with 4 Capricorn planets as Jupiter is counted in the 1st and Venus and Mercury basically count as 1 planet when totaling stelliums.
By: Hopeless Aquarian on October 14, 2011
at 2:15 pm
May have gotten the calculations wrong, but for the sake of research I got a score of 186. This being two stelliums that are prominent. First one consisting of sun, moon, mercury, venus, jupiter, in aquarius 3rd house and asc., mars, saturn, uranus, in sagittarius 1st house.
By: IntoDeep on October 21, 2011
at 3:22 pm
October 11,1957:
Mercury@8
Mars@11
Jupiter@13
SUN@17 degrees of Libra in the second house with a Placidus system.
I came up with a score of 106.
I was unsure about G. I have 48 points there.
Mercury is in the 1st house on the cusp of the second in some systems but I relate to both interpretations.
I experience it as:
Mercury: my thoughts instigate my action = Mars: instigates expansion of action = magnified Jupiter action feeds my being = Sun: I become fully enmeshed in what I do.
Well something like that, they all probably feed on each other.
I think my 11 degree Virgo rising made me shy in my youth, but mostly I’ve outgrown that and easily find myself in the public eye now.
My soon to be 20 y.o. daughter:
November 13,1991:
AC@15
Mars@19
Pluto@20
SUN@20 degrees of Scorpio for a total of 80
She is painfully shy, but does not hesitate to speak out if someone oversteps boundaries. I think as she gains her sense of self her shyness will dissipate.
She has an awesome sense of humor, has me laughing every day.
I look forward to more info. on this!
By: Xochitl on November 6, 2011
at 2:20 pm
I scored 151 on this test. I was born in Feb 1962 with a stellium in Aquarius.
By: Vickie on November 23, 2011
at 3:03 am
i scored 158. I was born Jan. 6 1994 with a stellium in Capricorn all in the 5th house degrees from 1st planet in the stellium to the last is 8. I also have jupiter, pluto, and moon in scorpio in the 3rd and pluto is conjunct my IC by 1 degree. saturn in aquarius. Anyone get a similar score? good tes.t I wondered about it.
By: Nicole on December 3, 2011
at 4:21 pm
I scored 71 on this test, and I was born on Feb. 22, 1997 (Aquarius-Pisces cusp?) with a stellium in Aquarius (Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Uranus). Venus and Mercury are in the 11th house, but Jupiter and Uranus are in the 10th house. Uranus is probably the dominant planet in there. I think that I have a considerable amount of Aquarian influence in me.
By: lost-in-senseless-dreams on December 4, 2011
at 5:57 pm
My ex has a 76 score on a four planet stellium in virgo in the 4th which includes sun,uranus, mercury and pluto. He also scored 37 as a plutonian and 29 as an uranian. He has control issues, he is eccentric, never has a steady job if any and cannot see depth in situations. Vengeance, no emotions and untrust are his keywords.
By: Julia on December 5, 2011
at 7:07 pm
I’m not entirely sure if I’m doing this right… Moon, Mercury, Venus conjunct midheaven. Sun, mercury, Neptune, Saturn in 9th. Moon, Venus, North node and Vesta in 10th. (Sun Conjunct Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, I don’t think this one counts, but I’m not entirely sure). I guess I’m confused because 2 of them are in midheaven so I’m not entirely sure how to add it up..
By: austinfunk on January 27, 2012
at 1:02 pm
Are they all in the same sign? North Node and Vesta aren’t counted, and of the trio of Sun, Mercury, and Venus, only two count toward a stellium, because the three of them travel so close together all the time that they are in the same sign about 50 days a year. Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on January 27, 2012
at 5:22 pm
Thanks for your reply:) Sun, mercury and venus?
I’m not sure, what you are asking.. So I’ll just do this, Sun Capricorn, Moon Aquarius, Mercury Capricorn, Venus Aquarius, Mars Saggitarius, Jupiter Cancer, Saturn Capricorn, Uranus Capricorn, Neptune Capricorn, Pluto Scorpio. Aquarius Midheaven, Taurus Ascendant,
Sun 9th, Moon 10th, Mercury 9th, Venus 10th, Mars 7th, Jupiter 2nd, Saturn 9th, Uranus 8th, Neptune 9th and Pluto 6th.
Thanks for help
By: austin on January 28, 2012
at 4:29 pm
Gotcha, Austin. Okay, so, you do have a stellium by sign in Capricorn of Sun, Mercury, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. AND you do have a stellium in the 9th of all those Capricorn planets except Uranus. So, it’s a stellium by sign and house in Capricorn, which makes it double strong. (I’m developing material for a book on stelliums, and eventually, I’ll be doing something online with a group of young people born with those stelliums in Capricorn, though not for a few months. The best way to get a notice about that would be to subscribe to this blog.) Donna
By: Donna Cunningham on January 28, 2012
at 6:50 pm
Wow, fascinating test! I scored a 184 with my stelliums in Pisces and Virgo.
By: Laura on February 6, 2012
at 6:48 am
Sorry it took me so long to reply, I need to check my email more often :-\. So that would make 2 Stelliums right? One by sign(capricorn)and one in the 9th house? Thanks so much for your help by the way
. I was wondering though, as far as my aspects go… Do I have another stellium in my midheaven, i.e having my Moon conjunct Midheaven, Mercury conjunct Midheaven and Venus Conjunct Midheaven? In your original reply to what I asked in the beginning, you said “…of the trio of Sun, Mercury, and Venus, only two count toward a stellium, because the three of them travel so close together all the time that they are in the same sign about 50 days a year.” I’m still a little confused about this, was there a miscommunication about the possible stellium towards the midheaven? As far as it being Sun, moon, and Venus as opposed to Moon, Mercury and Venus? Or was what you said in reference to something that I am still oblivious to? haha.
Thanks for all your help
By: austin on February 9, 2012
at 6:29 pm