Posted by: Donna Cunningham | February 5, 2013

12th House People as Introverts: the Power of Solitude

©2-5-2013 by Donna Cunningham, MSW

 In this Skywriter series, we’re exploring the ways people express their 12th house planets. This little-understood and much maligned placement has traditionally been assigned a variety of unfortunate attributes. I’m hoping that together we can gain new insight into how it can be used in a balanced way, capitalizing on its strengths and avoiding self-destructive behaviors.

My impression, from doing charts for close to 45 years, is that many of us 12th house folks are introverts, and that we both love and need  our times of solitude. Many of us find that being in the company of others—especially in groups—for any length of time can be anywhere from distracting to draining.

One of the things that keeps us from feeling okay about ourselves is that the Western world places a judgment on introversion. It’s seen as being maladjusted, like it’s something we need to fix. We’re told we need get therapy, get a lover, or get a life. 

Having my chart done for the first time helped me understand that introversion was not something I needed to fix; it was part of who I am. With my 12th house Sun and Jupiter, that 12th house retreat from the world is one of my strengths, the wellspring of my creative work.

My writing requires long periods of solitude and total silence—no television, no phone calls, not even music while I work. I need it for the introspection, contemplation, and outright drifting and dreaming needed to delve deeply into a topic.

I’m not exactly a hermit, for I love spending time with my friends and enjoy meeting and talking with people. I’m such a psychic sponge, however, and so noise sensitive that being out in public for several hours is jarring in a way that only long hours of solitude can relieve. My idea of Hell would be having to live with other people. (No, wait, Hell is one big, loud, crowded party that goes on for an eternity.)

Studies Show: Being an Introvert Can Be a Good Thing!

By “coincidence,” I’m stumbling across new psychological research about introverts in magazines like Psychology Today and Scientific American Mind. The studies document that there’s a bias against introverts in both social and business settings. Many parents prefer their extroverted children over the introverted ones, for instance.

And, yet, researchers are finding that introverts have some surprising advantages in their actual job performance, especially in tasks that require focus, concentration, and the ability to work alone for long periods. As managers, they’re able to listen to employees’ ideas and feedback in a way that improves both morale and effectiveness in the work.

One major writer on this subject featured in the December, 2011 online issue of Psychology Today is Susan Cain, the author of Quiet: The Power of Introverts, How to thrive in a world that can’t stop talking. (Order the book here: http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Power-Introverts-World-Talking/dp/0307352145.) The book description notes:

CainIntrovertcvr“At least one-third of the people we know are introverts. They are the ones who prefer listening to speaking, reading to partying; who innovate and create but dislike self-promotion; who favor working on their own. Although they are often labeled “quiet,” it is to introverts that we owe many of the great contributions to society–from van Gogh’s sunflowers to the invention of the personal computer.

“Passionately argued, impressively researched, and filled with indelible stories of real people, Quiet shows how dramatically we undervalue introverts, and how much we lose in doing so…And she draws on cutting-edge research in psychology and neuroscience to reveal the surprising differences between extroverts and introverts.”

You can take her test on whether you’re an extrovert or an introvert here: quiz: Are You an Introvert or an Extrovert? (And Why It Matters …. And hear what she has to say here: Quiet, Please: Unleashing ‘The Power Of Introverts’ : NPR. Her blog  Quiet: The Power of Introverts – By Susan Cain is an ongoing examination and discussion of introverts, extroverts, and their roles.

Other Resources for Introverts

The famous Briggs Meyers personality test based on the Jungian types goes beyond the introvert/extrovert spectrum and places you in a combination of four psychological functions by which we experience the world: sensation, intuition, feeling, and thinking.Take a sample test here: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp .

 Additional articles on introversion from Psychology Today:

And here are some related articles on the 12th house and solitude by other bloggers:

commentsgreatdiscussionSome Research of Our Own: I’d love to hear from readers with a strong 12th house. Are you an introvert, an extrovert, or an ambivert (a mixed type)? If you don’t consider yourself an introvert, what chart features would tend toward extroversion? Share your thoughts in the comment section. 

Here are more articles from Skywriter’s series on the 12th house: 

 

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Responses

  1. With Sun, Jupiter, Mars & Mercury in the 12th, I qualify as a 12th House person and I usually consider myself an introvert but am thinking “ambivert” may be more accurate. Even as a child when my mother would drag me (sometimes literally) along when the family went visiting, I usually enjoyed myself once I got there. However, I’m always very happy to get back to my quiet home too. Has to be my 1st House Venus in Sagittarius that enjoys socializing (Libra Sun).

    Briggs-Meyers: INFJ

    Good to see you are posting again, Donna! :-)

    • Hey, Diane, great to see you here again! I was wondering if you’d come back. I LOVE being back on the blog and having these exchanges with readers. Donna

      PS. On Myers-Briggs, I wound up precisely on the dividing line between INFJ and INFP. Since both of of those types make up only 1% of the population, while extroverts of all the categories make up high percentages of the population, my identity as a strange sort of bird was reconfirmed yet again.

      • On my M-B, I came out thus: XNXP with a final of ENFP. The x is how they scored people who were about 50/50 in the categories.The test gave me a F point because I am female. If you are male and about 50/50 on the F/T scale, they’ll give you a freebie T point. Sorta sexist if you ask me, but maybe true.

      • That’s sexist for sure! What is the T–a testosterone point? Donna

    • I am a 12th house person, although I don’t have my Sun there, but check this out: Saturn in Capricorn, Jupiter in Capricorn, and the Moon in Cap, at 29 degrees, 55 minutes. Aquarius rising. I was born August 23, 1961. I don’t mind the solitude, although in my younger days it was a pain because I was isolated out in the country with two young children to raise by myself after divorcing my alcoholic husband. No help either, from either parent, not even from my brothers. And for weeks, sometimes months, I had no transportation and would only see my neighbor every once in a while. Now I’m out in the country again, but in a warmer climate(before I was in Ohio), and my partner and I are loving it. Kids are grown and on their own, and I am no longer shackled to the isolation. Yes, my first Saturn return sucked big time. This time around, I will kind of know what to expect, at least I won’t have small children I’m raising out in the middle of nowhere with no one to help and no transportation.

      • I suppose I’m kind of an introvert, I was never popular in school and didn’t hang around with any “cool” kids. I was sort of a loner. And I am uncomfortable being in front of a large group of people having to talk in front of them, I don’t want to be “in the spotlight”. I prefer to stay “behind the scenes”.

  2. Hi Donna, love this post. It’s good to see your writings again, I’ve missed them. A while back I tested 14/15 on the introvert extrovert Myers Briggs scale. I guess that makes me an ambient…

    As for my chart, I have Jupiter in the 12th conjunct my Ascendent, and Sun conjunct my Midheaven in the last degree of Aquarius, which is in part what gives me strong aspects of both. In addition, I have the moon and Venus conjunct in the 8th (Capricorn\Aquarius cusp). I’ve been in a very heavy internal, introverted, sleepy, nappy, dreamy lazy phase for the last several years, but much of that I attribute to Neptune being conjunct my Sun and now Midheaven.

    I read the descriptions of Jupiter in the 12th that you provided, and they are pretty accurate. I do see myself as a student of the human psyche, and a lot of times I sense quite easily the unspoken motivations that are driving people’s actions.

    Regarding your noise sensitivity and psychic sponginess, I’d be happy to share some techniques that can really take the edge off that. I used to be driven crazy by certain sounds around me – it was like they penetrated deep into the core of my body. Even though the social side of me loved parties, I really couldn’t handle the energy of all the people. Anyways, I thought I was just a bitch for a long time, until I learned a thing or two about keeping my aura in tact. I’m amazed at how much less aggravated by sounds and crowds I am these days :-) Happy to share if you are interested.

    So glad to see you back.

    • Hi, thanks for sharing what makes you an ambi. I would love to do a post–or some research–on the effects of a 12th house planet that is conjunct the Ascendant, as I do believe it’s tricky to keep balanced.

      The conjunction to the Asc would create a pressure to put that planet’s energies out there, but the 12th house need for “my space” would pull it back in. Does that make sense? Anybody else that wants to chime in on that?

      As for tricks to manage the sensitivity and the aura, please do share with all of us. I do work hard to shield myself, a whole set of lightwork barriers I set up while getting ready to go out the door, every single time, sometimes including a cloak of invisibility, a la Harry Potter. And lots of healing by varioius shamans of holes in my aura from surgeries and a car accident, but a certain fragility remains. Donna

      • I hope I’m not too late to chime in. I have a very tight Saturn-Pluto conjunction in the 12th conjuncting my ASC. In my research and readings I’ve struggled with interpretations pertaining to this. Most say to interpret 12th house planets conjuncting the ASC as being in the 1st house. Much of it rings true, but not totally.

        But you nailed it, Donna.

        “The conjunction to the Asc would create a pressure to put that planet’s energies out there, but the 12th house need for “my space” would pull it back in.”

        My experience has been, just as you say, one of tension between putting it out there (via the ASC) but also feeling the strong need to “pull it back in”. A personal example of this tension manifested is with my writing. I have had a few blogs where I posted my creative writings (under pseudonyms), only to take them all down eventually.

        Thank you, Donna, for your articulate incisiveness.

      • You explained the tension very well, Blue. I have to laugh just a bit, as I’m very 12th house myself, and when I started this blog, I was trying hard to be more self-revealing, as I’m very private. So many times, after I published something, I wanted to take it down…anguishing about it. I made myself leave them up, but it was hard! Donna

  3. I am what would be consider an ‘ambivert.’ On the Myers-Briggs test, I score about 55/45 extrovert/introvert.
    I do have 12th House planets (Mer/Sat. in Virgo) and Neptune Rises but I also have Moon and Sun both above the horizon. Moon is on the MC and Sun is in Leo.
    I like quiet and solitude sometimes. I was an only child and simply got used to it. I love to read and so research. I’ve never liked most parties unless they had a theme such as costumes or dinner but when I was younger I used to ‘party hearty’ and was out at clubs and at social occasions as much as possible. If I did that now, not only would I not have the energy but a 62 year old middle-aged flub bearing woman would look darn silly dancing her fat rear off all night at some club. It’s a good thing I don’t want to do this because this area is not known for clubs even for younger people and college students.
    I used to prefer deep conversations but now small talk is the way to go most of the time as I keep the intensity to a few close friends. I must admit that I am bored talking with many women because they tend to center their chat on solely tv and their kids and grandkids. Except for light chat, I walk away from them.
    I used to love big crowds but now they mostly bother me, mainly because people seem to have gotten more rude and loud in the last few years. If the crowd is civil, I don’t mind it in the least and I don’t need to retreat after being in one. As of late, I’ve developed a love of checking out many of Virginia’s fine farm and boutique wineries.
    I think I’ve lost a lot of steam as far as sociability goes. I live in an area and situation where social contact is some what limited for me at this time, although I do have some friends. This makes sense as a good deal of my chart has dumped into my 12th House by Progression.
    When I do go out and about (aside from work) I can be very outgoing and am not at all shy. I have never hesitated to speak my mind, which I think is a function of Moon/Uranus on the MC.

    • Thanks, Melo, I was thinking along the same lines about ambiverts–12th house or Neptune/Pisces or Pluto/Scorpio strong for the introvert part, more sociable signs like Leo, Libra, or Gemini for the extrovert part.

      I too MIGHT pass for an ambivert in social settings where I feel comfortable, as I can fake extrovert for an hour or two, but then I wanna go home and turn the phone off. My ambi-mix is the 12th house Sun/Jupiter in Cancer plus Pluto on the Ascendant. But a triple conjunction in Leo in the 1st on the angle and a stellium in Gemini in the 11th for the quasi-extrovert part. Donna

      • Well, I have Pluto conj. Sun in Leo so my sun goes both ways, so to speak! LOL! My Asc. is Libra but Neptune Rises on it, closely followed by Mars, which to me, just confuses the whole issue.
        One thing I have noticed having Moon smack dab on my MC: I can not go out in public without running into people I know. If you are into a ‘quiet’ mode, you’d best not step out your door with me in tow.
        I mean,hells bells,I can go to New York City and step off the train and run into someone I knew from way back when. Last time I was there, I ran into three people (none of whom were together), at three different venues, who I hadn’t seen in ages.It seems totally seclusion is not in my karma/dharma this time around. I’d probably run into an old acquaintance if I tried to hide out in a cave deep in the woods!

  4. I have Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto in my 12th house. I’ve always been an introvert. I’ve been witness to the preference in American society to prefer extroverted behavior over introversion and always felt out of place because of it.

    I am very creative and also need complete solitude to achieve my inner gnosis in whatever projects I’m undertaking. I have a very spiritual background, but also one that has been filled with much sorrow.

    I’ve been studying astrology on and off for over a decade, but not until my Saturn Return did I feel such a strong pull towards increasing my knowledge of this great science/art.

    thanks for you post!

    • Thanks for sharing, Tiffani, a big stellium there, and I find much to relate to. Donna

    • It’s interesting how many creative introverted types say they need complete solitude and quite to be creative. I wonder if there is a difference between them and us (somewhat) more extroverted creative types. I always seem to need background chatter, such as a TV, in order to create or even to study. The only time I need the complete quiet is when I sleep or read and even then I can still function with some background noise. The only noises that really bothers me to no end are loud, screaming people and loud bass rap and hip hop music. That I can not abide.

  5. Hi Donna,
    Considering the element of introversion on an empty Gemini 12th house: could this be someone who is more hesitant to speak up? Even though Mercury is not placed there physically?

    • Yes, I believe so, EJ. Perhaps feeling that speaking up would be too self-revealing or make you feel too vulnerable. Donna

      • That’s quite a thought.
        I’ll have to go with my chart reading instincts more often.

        Perhaps looking at empty houses, and asking these types of questions will bring in a new layer to a reading for folks.

  6. Three planets in the 12th — Neptune, Mercury, and Mars — in Sagittarius. I think I’m an extroverted introvert. I need people, but I also need peace and quiet and time for meditation and refelction. While I live in New York City, my home is my sanctuary. I’m a listener definitely. I think the aspects of my chart that lead to some extroverted tendencies are my Moon in the 7th and my Sun in the 11th. I am also Sag rising with my chart ruler in Leo, both fire signs.

    • @katie, I have just discovered this blog about the 12th house, and I can so relate to the idea of being an extrovert/introvert. I used to wonder, how can one be both, as I have been feeling like this for years. It just didn’t make sense. I’m Sun, moon and mercury in Sagittarius ( all 5th house, in Placidus, in Koch, moon/mercury :conjunct, are in the 4th house, though I relate more to the 5th house, and see Placidus as more relevant). I have leo ascendant, so yes, there is the fiery, fun, sociable, playful and cheeky persona, enjoying being with friends and groups (Jupiter in the 11th- Gemini, of course) , moon/mercury sextile venus- so I like people,

      but at the same time, mercury/moon, squares Saturn /Saturn is in the eighth house ( maybe showing shyness, reserve, inhibitions etc, Jupiter semi-squaring the ascendant, Sun quintile Saturn ( assuming this can mean reserve, quietness too?). And Pluto lives in my 3rd house, so I guess he or she gives off a still waters vibe too, LOL!! So, amongst other things, this shows some intoversion in myself.

      When I came upon the 12th house blog, I had assumed my 12th house didn’t have much power- it looked empty: Cancer on the cusp. Then I started investigating what Cancer meant here, and to boot, discovered I had an asteroid, there, Vesta ( Vesta trine Saturn to be exact !)- While I’m getting to grips to what Vesta means, I read that Cancer 12th house, showed a nurturing and caring side, a mother to all. I was a bit surprised, as I see myself as shy. Then I remembered a series of tarot readings, I had last year, and each and everyone of those readings emphasised the nurturing, caring side theme. Was I not aware that people saw me as very nurturing, even a mother figure? No, I wasn’t aware at all, even if friends had said so, in passing. It suddenly made sense- but all these years, I hadn’t even given it a thought.

      Then I realised that the 12th house, for me, with Cancer on the cusp, is about re-charging batteries, in solitude, finding space ( however small) to do that- be it through travelling solo, writing down thoughts, creating art and dance in my own space, needing to get away from too much noise ( from time to time, even though I can shut off and concentrate in noisy environments). I had assumed because my 12th house was empty it meant nothing, or it meant I had no 12th house talents/gifts. There is a link between my 12th house Vesta and my Saturn in the eighth- so I am sure it reinforces setting boundaries for both my unconscious collective (12th) and subconscious , as they are both in water signs. M’mm, so I’ve learned something new about what the 12th house is , for many people, and what it means for me, too, today! Yes, one can be extrovert/introvert. On the myers-briggs scale, i think I am INFJ, and they are sometimes mistaken for extroverts. Thanks, Donna, again.

      • Thank you for sharing!! I have my Moon in Leo in the 12th so I relate to what you’ve said!

  7. I think one indicator of introverts versus extroverts is how introspective one tends to be. I am not a total shallow fluff ball , but neither am I what I would call truly introspective.

    • So, introvert/introspective makes sense. Extrovert/extro-what?

  8. Hi Donna, I have a virgo stellium of Uranus, Mercury, Pluto, Venus in the 12th conjunct asc and looooove my own space (introverted) but on the other hand my stellium contains sun & moon in the 1st house & people see me as a bright bubbly personality (extroverted) so i supose ambivert is me:-)

    • Sounds like a PRODUCTIVE combination: able to focus and concentrate on being a stellar employee with Virgo’s plethora of useful skills and willingness to serve in the 12th PLUS good people skills. A tendency to overwork is one drawback. Donna

  9. I’m a 12th house Sun who is both an introvert and a hermit. ;) I’m shy as well, so I don’t enjoy meeting new people, and I absolutely hate group activities. I am married, and often the “big” extroverted energy of my Aries husband can be overwhelming. As much as I love him, I feel more relaxed when I’m alone.

  10. I think people consider me extroverse but I’m not, but perhaps I’m not even introverse, I only need time for dreams and for immagination in this way I recharge my energie and the faith in the future. Aries rising conj. Moon, with 4 planets in house 12 pisces.

  11. I would definitely class myself as introverted, but only have Uranus in the 12th, conjunct asc. It’s the ruler of my IC. But I have a strong Scorpio influence, so introversion goes with the territory. I hate being in big groups; I feel completely overwhelmed by all the energy. Small talk is a mystery (empty 3rd house). Socialising in busy bars, surrounded by noise is my idea of hell. Even as a teenager, I preferred ‘old men’s pubs’ with a few friends. But I do have a intrinsic need to socialise – I am a Gemini sun after all. But it’s always carefully chosen close friends.

    I just did the Myers Brigg you suggested. How’s this for a Scorpio…. As do other Introverted Thinkers, ISTJs often give the initial impression of being aloof and perhaps somewhat cold. Effusive expression of emotional warmth is not something that ISTJs do without considerable energy loss.

  12. Great to see you here again Donna.
    Interesting about the extrovert and possible less introversion?
    Me – no planets in 12th House, Sag on cusp of 11th and 12th
    Sag Sun, Mercury, Leo Moon Pluto, Jupiter Aries
    All planets above the horizon (out in the World) bar Jupiter (3rd) and Uranus 6th
    Thus a very extrovert outgoing chart – I am an extrovert, but can be shy at times and hold back – communication is very important, enjoy quiet alone time but it’s not a necessity.

    Extro – vert – one dictionary meaning is ‘somebody whose interests are directed outside the self’ – which I do a great deal of the time but yet I can be rather introspective as well. I look at myself and others from a psychological perspective – what makes then tick – this maybe the be the Sag and 9th house planets rather than the extrovert part.

    Introspective, one dictionary meaning is ‘examining feelings – involving, or frequently undertaking, a deep and candid examination of your own feelings, thoughts, and motives” I think you can be an extrovert and still be introspective – I do this meaning of introversion a lot and some so called introverts are not truly introspective at all and avoid looking at themselves.
    Another dictionary meaning of Introvert is ‘tending to examine yourself rather than communicating. tending to examine your own feelings, thoughts, or ideas rather than communicating with other people’ I examine but talk and share these thoughts and ideas – a lot – extroversion coming in here :-)

    To me extrovert is – ‘more out there than others’ – outgoing, loving company, gregarious, social, assertive but even the outgoing charts often have planet placements in them that can lessen this in certain aspects of their lives.

    That is my 2 pennies worth :-)

  13. I was once told that I was an introvert who has LEARNED how to be an extrovert, which made a lot of sense to me. 12h Sun & Saturn in Scorpio learned how to do some very extroverted things, like improv theatre, from my Merc 1st house Scorpio, radically transforming my ‘fixed’ 12h nature with mutable Mercury. Pluto-Leo on my MC empowered me to make a ‘dramatic transformation’ from 12H FIXED introvert nature.

    These transformations took place when my progressed Sun was in Sag, and I think that was also a factor in ‘progressing’ beyond and transcending the feeling of being stuck and ‘fixated on’ my introvert nature.

    What’s odd is that I now embrace and accept and AM more introverted than I was during that Sag phase of my progressed sun, as my progressed sun moves into another introverted sign, Capricorn.

    But maybe not so odd: The degrees of the planets in my chart all have profound introvert meanings (according to Elias Lonsdale’s amazing Inside Degrees). I have found his degree interpretations probably the most helpful in dealing with my deeply introverted nature.

    But here’s the big astrological thing for me: I have an overall ‘cauldron of destiny’ pattern to my chart, and there is no way, I mean this, absolutely no way at all that I could possibly handle that configuration if my Sun was not in my 12h. For me, the 12h Sun in Scorpio has been, and is now, at almost 60, more than ever, the key to my ego-Self having the sheer introspective stamina to fulfill my destiny. My destiny came to me in a dream at age 4 and I have never forgotten it. I expect that, too, is a 12H Sun/Introvert kind of experience, having a dream define your life.

    Also, and finally, I am beginning to think that we are in a 12h ERA in human history, when we have to bring one stage of human existence to its end and conclusion (the patriarchal age), and begin the next.

    • Hi, Mimi, thanks for bringing the progressed chart into the picture–I beleive you’re onto something about progressions bringing about a change from introvert to extrovert or vice versa.

      I, too, have noticed definite changes and evolutions over the years when my natal planets progressed into new signs, and if I tracked back, I wouldn’t be surprised if when my 12th house Cancer Sun and Jupiter progressed out of the 12th and over my Leo Ascendant, I did get over some of my extreme shyness and self-consciousness. Before long, I was able to give lectures with a good degree of comfort. Donna

      • Mimi, regarding theater and extroverts: I have known a fair number of actors/theater geeks and there are many introverts among them. These people seem to be split into two different types regarding theater. One type is the proverbial attention seeker who loves the limelight and tends to live for applause and the other is the type that tends to shun publicity and immerses themselves in the role to the point they tend to disappear into it. I think the first type is Leonian/5th House and the second more Neptunian/12th House.

      • Donna & Mimi, I have noticed that I am less social since many of my 10th and 11th House Planets dumped into my 12th by Progression. I

      • Thoughts on prog Sun & introvert/extrovert: Started out w/29° Sun in Libra, progressed into Scorpio shortly after birth=shy child & young adult; progressed into Sagittarius around 1st Saturn Return=much more adventurous & extroverted; progressed into Capricorn around 2nd Saturn Return=return to more introverted behaviors without the painful shyness, faaar less adventurous though !

      • That’s good, Diane. I had one more lightbulb about progressions of 12th house planets. When a progressed planet changes signs, it always moves into the next-door sign, which is in the opposite polarity.

        So very extroverted signs are followed by very introverted signs–Aquarius becomes Pisces, Libra becomes Scorpio,and so on. And very introverted signs are followed by very extroverted ones–Scorpio is followed by Sagittarius, Pisces is followed by Aries, and so on.

        (I know, like most theories, it works well except when it doesn’t!)

        This discussion on progressions has become unexpectedly fruitful, hasn’t it? I have to confess, I don’t really use progressions in my work, but I definitely feel the shift when they change signs. It’s a big change, but takes time to become firmly entrenched. Donna

    • Yes. Sometimes, it’s hard to differentiate between nature and learned behavior. What would you do and how would you be if there was no societal, familial or employment pressure? That shows your true nature.

  14. Hi Donna.
    Got 9 True and 9 False on the test and 2 ? AMBIVERT Anyway I once lived in the cities and can manuver well and even lead groups and can talk to large audiences( the larger the group the more inspired I am) without a shy bone in my body; however I escaped the city for the wilderness. 6 million acre Nat. Park that is roadless and one gets around by canoe and portage. Total heaven for me.
    My seclusion MUST be in unscathed environments with nature in full bloom…any season. There my soul is replenished and I can admire the handiwork of the Creator …merge consciousness with all that is . I study on the world of man and comtemplate the future …..get plenty of exercise that my body craves.Do Art, Write and practice karate.
    Neptune in the 12th , 4 degrees from ascendant and conjunct with Chiron and Jupiter also in the 12th..
    Mars Uranus,in Gemini ( 9th) parralle Pluto in Leo and Venus conjunct Saturn in cancer in the 10th and they all parralle the MC in Cancer with my North Node.Neptune squares the nodes so my spiritual inclinations are not in step with the prevailing materialistic culture. It saddens me how other countries are duped by it.
    However I find that the least lettered ( who populate wide open spaces of the countryside) of the dominant American culture have the most common sense and clear sight on the BS social/politic. Kind of cracks me up!.

    The worst thing for me about the cities is all the racket , electric and telephone wires marring the landscape ,,,the ugliness of it. Buzzzzing fridgrators…always pushed them out of my apartments. Now I find out the worst radiation comes from fridgerators and transformers on Electric poles…kids growing up within 3 city blocks from Transformer boxes get lukemia from it. I believe it and could always feel them and my nervous system didnt like it.

    I also saw big Chinese city dwellers and a girl from Chicago completely freak out by being in a small town on the edge of said wilderness park. They fled back to the cities so fast it would make your head spin! Ha Ha Ha GOOD we dont want the city to move into the countryside. They missed wall to wall people and the sound of dump trucks in the early morning! ????

  15. All of this describes me to a T. And yet, my 12th House is empty. In my progressed chart, the 12th is empty. However, all of my planets, except for Neptune in the 8th, are below the horizon. . . INTJ on Briggs-Myers; also very accurate.

    introverts, and that we both love and need  our times of solitude. Many of us find that being in the company of others—especially in groups—for any length of time can be anywhere from distracting to draining.

    long periods of solitude and total silence—no television, no phone calls, not even music while I work. I need it for the introspection, contemplation, and outright drifting and dreaming needed to delve deeply into a topic.

    focus, concentration, and the ability to work alone for long periods

    the ones who prefer listening to speaking, reading to partying; who innovate and create but dislike self-promotion

    so noise sensitive that being out in public for several hours is jarring in a way that only long hours of solitude can relieve.

  16. With Piscies on my empty, except for Juno, 12th cusp and Neptune conjunct my Libra Sun in the 6th, I guess I am 1st cousin to a 12th House person. I used to crave being out with a friend or two. My Asc. is Aries which perhaps gives me my bombastic side. I am learning to control that because it appalls my more introverted self. I have learned to talk less and more appropriately over the last few years. How I made myself uncomfortable and didn’t even know why. Uranus is 0 degrees Cancer…singleton….3rd House…probably didn’t help…good article about Vesta in a recent Mountain Astrologer.
    What a pleasure to read your articles, Donna!

    • I also have Neptune Square MC….maybe a kissing first cousin!

    • Thank you, Carolyn for the reference about a Vesta article. I will have a look at it , now. I like the sound of Vesta! :)

  17. I love this topic Donna! This topic is near and dear to my heart as I have a Sun/Mercury/Chiron conjunction in the 12th house! My Sun is 3 degrees from my Ascendent, which I think is one reason why I feel like an extraverted introvert, or an ambivert. I tested as an ENFP the last time I took the Myers-Briggs.
    As a child I was actually a lot more introverted, reading a lot and not liking to talk to people I didn’t know well, spending lots of time at home, in nature and daydreaming. But my Sun has been coming out more and more the older I get :) Some of what you wrote in a previous article makes sense in terms of the progressed chart putting our planets in different houses.

    As a Sun conjunct the Asc/12th house person, at this stage in my life, I love being around people and spiritual/conscious communities (I have Venus in Gemini! and Moon in Aquarius), but I notice a tendency to pack myself to the brim with social engagements and then I burn out and need to recharge through solo dreaming/creative time. I also can’t relate to needing total solitude or total quiet to do my creative work, I often love working in cafes. For me, sometimes there is a fear of too much solitude which is a huge 12th house theme as well!

    Have you read the Highly Sensitive Person books by Elaine Aron? They have helped me immensely in valuing my high sensitivity that is not normally valued very much in this culture. I think my high sensitivity and being an empath relates a lot to my 12th house planets.

    • Yes, I read the books on Highly Sensitive People some time ago and identified strongly, I almost included them in the resource list for this post, so thanks for mentioning them. Donna

      • Daring Greatly, by Brene Brown, a ted.com speaker, illuminates the self undoing part of the 12th. I don’t like the title but found the book and her youtube videos life changing. Shame, vulnerability, dealing with shame…. dealing with the feelings of shame..

      • Thanks for sharing that, Carolyn.

    • I totally relate to what you wrote about scheduling a social life that tires you.

      Alone in a relaxed yet interesting crowd gives Venus in Gemini enough to observe or some other kind of background noise while “recharging” (daydreaming, reading, writing, surfing the Net, arts & crafts, etc.) the 12th house planets is the best. :)

      I attend a church that has friendly, familial vibes because I like the spiritual energy. But then I have a problem with the practice of everyone “having to” circulate, hug and mingle with everyone else – or risk getting called “unfriendly”. Now I sneak in after the group hug time and sit in the back.

      • Brrr! I used to detest that about workshops–the being forced to hug everyone at the end whether you knew them or not! I’d make up reasons to leave early. NOT the happy hugger. By now, with lots of work on my Pluto, it’s okay for people to hug me. I have Venus in Gemini, too a part of my Gemini stellium in the 11th. Donna

  18. Myers-Briggs: INFJ

    I wonder if I’m a bit of a ambivert – with my Mars-Saturn conjunction in a Gemini 12th house, I need my peace and quiet. However, I have an Aries Sun opposite Uranus that likes being out and about, seeing new places… until I need a rest and go looking for the nearest library… so I can curl up with a sci-fi book. Heh.

    I’ve got the book ‘Calm’ on reserve for me at the library at the moment. :)

    • Ah, that’s clever–never thought of getting it at the library. And yes, the 12th house plus Sun-Uranus does sound like an ambivert. Donna

  19. I used to consider myself to be an ambivert, but after many years in sales-related jobs, I’m worn out on the public. I prefer to work with small groups of people or 1-on-1. I scored 19/20 on Susan Cain’s quiz.

    I have Sagittarius Rising and Neptune, Venus and Mars in Gemini, and Mercury-Jupiter in Leo. I appear to be an extrovert. As a kid, I remember feeling hesitant about approaching new children but knowing that I’m “supposed” to be outgoing so I’d force myself to initiate friendships.

    Now, I get approached by many and initiate few conversations with strangers. I enjoy observing people…from afar…online…with some kind of buffer.

    12th house Moon and Uranus:
    sextile MC
    trine 8th house Sun
    square 8th house Mercury-Jupiter conjunction (Uranus only)

    • I think the planets that are in the 12th and what sign(s) is in there describe how a person deals with solitude. I like to eat (Moon), be on the Internet (Uranus), pray, cry, love, have sex, deeply research etc. alone or in an intimate setting (Scorpio).

      • Good interpretation, Jara, I like that. Donna

      • Jara & Donna, Virgo 12th here with Mercury and Saturn in 12. I tend to read and do research when alone. I also prefer to do housework and organization projects when alone with only my cat and the hum of appliances in the background for company.
        With that 12th House Saturn, the have been times, per the classical interpretation of that planet in 12, that I have had extreme solitude/confinement/structure forced upon me and I did not like that one bit. Thank G-D that that seems to be in my past. Progression has pushed Saturn over my Ascendant. Interestingly, when most of that enforced confinement took place, Pluto and Uranus were transiting my 12 th.

  20. Wow, this blog post of yours, Donna, totally fits how I am as well. I have my south node, Mars and Neptune in the 12th house of Libra. It seems to me I also need to let go of absolutely everything, of the ego that comes from my social role, get close to nature and the divine.

    This is my 12th house undoing to be One with God. My goal is to be a rock or a wave. .

    Bless you, Donna, You are truly wonderful!
    Hillary

    • Wow–big commitment to spirital devotion with those placements. It sounds like you’re handling it well, making excellent progress, quite the spiritual warrior! Donna

  21. Wow! what a topic Donna Thank you! I believe I am the first Cap Sun in the 12th to post here. I have Aquarius rising. I have not taken the tests yet. I expect to find I am an ambivert. I can handle and enjoy the soCIAL outside milieu for so long and then…..ESCAPE!

    For most of my life I could fashion and protect my private time…then I got married. To a Libra with a Mars Mercury conjunction. PHEW!!! There goes my privacy and quiet. It has been a sacrifice for me and when ever I am blessed with any time alone it is akin to High Church.

    This subject in your Skywriter series is a cornucopia of treasures and I enjoy reading about all of you posting above. How many of us love being early risers? It is a rare thing for me to sleep past 6am and the mornings are my most productive.

    • Interesting that you bring that up, Tina. In fact, I often wake up well before sunrise and have to rush to the computer, because ideas for my writing are coming faster than I can process them. I believe that, like many famous people of history (Einstein, for example) the answers to what I’m working on come from my dreams. If I DON’T get up, I lose them when I go back to sleep and they’re gone, so tired or not, I have to get up.

      Perhaps it is most true of those of us with the Sun in the 12th, as the sun itself is close to the horizon at that point, preparing for sunrise. Donna

      • NOT an early riser except to go to work for a living. If left to my own devices, I’d stay up until 3-4 a.m. and rise up around Noon. I have a friend that jokes about me always being up by the ‘crack of Noon.” I only see the sun rise if I am still up at night! My favorite time of day is sundown. The lights (and most of my planets) in my chart are above the horizon in 10 & 11 and I have Neptune, Queen of the Night, Ascending. All the Neptune Ascending people I have met are night people.

      • @ MELO810 I like to go to bed at 3 am in the morning, too, if I can get away with it ! It’s probably because it’s very quiet and I can write and have my thoughts to myself, or even create choreographies, or surf the net. I have many friends who the same, but in general, people think you’re a little strange, if you are still awake in the early hours .

        In a way, perhaps that’s not so different from waking up at dawn and getting your thoughts down, before they disappear

      • Melo810,
        ! have Neptune rising and my usual time to get up is 5 AM so I can be alert for the changing of the light….my favorite time Sunrise of Sunset!

  22. I tried a Myers-Briggs test last night, to see if anything had changed. I’m now INFP, when I was an INFJ some years back.

    I suspect I am a bit of both, so most likely move back and forth between the two. I don’t think anyone can be 100% anything, as hormones, energy levels moods, situations and reactions change all the time.

    I do find that I like working behind the scenes, and while I am able to enjoy being in groups ( but I hate parties, as I feel very uncomfortable, I prefer one- to ones immensely, and need a lot of space, or time alone, to re-charge, so I am with everyone , who’s posted on here. I do find that I get drained and overwhelmed, and can find myself, withdrawing/retreating, just to get those energy levels up. I hadn’t realised this was suomething to do with the 12th house.

  23. I have never considered myself an introvert but I love my solitude! having grown up as the youngest of 5, lived with women in college and after, it was not until I lived alone that I grew to love it. I worked in the cosmetic sales and traveled all over the metro New York area, I had to “be on” when I was working. I grew to love the long drive home so I did not have to talk to anyone!! my 12th house stellium is Moon in Taurus, Mars, Uranus, Venus in Gemini (intercepted)

  24. Great, incisive article.
    I am introverted but able to act as an extrovert if need be. I have a stellium in the tenth house (the Sun, the Moon and Mercury) but my Venus is in the 12th in Leo and I have noticed that I need long periods of solitude and a long recovery time before I can ‘perform’ in public again. My progressed Sun is moving to the 12th house soon and I am actually looking forward to quiet meditation and a great deal of soul searching.

    • Yes, that kind of commitment to looking inward and soul searching is a big benefit of a transit or progression to the 12th house, because that time of retreat can bring so much growth. We’ll have to explore that more when we have our Question and Answer session on February 17th. Donna

      • A good deal of my chart has progressed into my 12th Virgo House. No time for much soul searching. Almost all l do these days is work and do chores when I get home. Less ‘me” time and time for introspection than when everything was still in 11 and 10.

      • Donna, my progressed moon has, is currently in the 12th house, in Leo. I had a look on Astrodienst tables on progressions, and checked my progressions for a the next couple of years. At some point, the progressed Pluto-Uranus conjunction will take up residence in my twelfth house ( at the moment, my ascendant is progressed Virgo, in my Leo ascendant), so both planets are in retrograde motion. What does this mean, in terms of accessing the twelfth house, or living with the

      • The planets aren’t moving backwards, the progressed Ascendant is moving forward, as would the 12th house cusp. So, yes the /natal planets/ are in the 12th house by progression, but if you’re working with progressions, you’d want to pay more attention to what house the progressed Moon is in. The progressed Uranus and Pluto would not have moved more than a degree or so of the natal positions because they are very slow moving, only minutes of arc a day. (Unless you were using solar arc progressions, which are very artificial because they progress everything the same number of degrees as the Sun, creating planetary positions that never occurred in real time.) Donna

      • I have another insight on the 12th House from personal experience.

        First, the 12th House rules distant places where people not know you — so that you are free to change into something new.

        This has happened to me on at least 3 occasions – in the 1970s, when I went to distant places and came out of my shell; in 1989-90, when I began traveling to Eastern Europe to visit astrologers and see the Berlin Wall come down and ended up losing 125 lbs because I changed so much; in 2004-06 (P Moon in Leo in 12th), when I got the Epstein-Barr Virus and accompanying neuralgia (in pain for 2 years) — life altering in my studies of medical astrology.

        I am where I am today really because of these transits and progressions…actually, all of the transits through the 12th House.

        During one 12th House transit, I got my first tattoo (the first of 3) but all in private places. With this, I could never go back to being the Old Lynn because the Old Lynn would never have tattoos.

        I will add my last observation of the 12th House personality — we can be the Guinea Pigs of the Zodiac. We experience events, situations, emotional events which, when we find a solution, we solve these problems for others.
        This has been a theme in my life.

      • I love those observations, Lynn. One thing that strikes me about what you said about distant places allowing you to chance into something new. I suspect it has to do with shift of angles in the relocated chart. (You can see them easily on an Astro*Carto*Graphy map.) So a natal planet in the 12th could move into a more angular position. Donna

      • First, I cannot find our February 8 posts but this is my reply to that….

        Good thought about Astro-Carto-Graphy but only one transit changed Mercury. All of the others kept my natal planets in the same houses. And, I observed the 12th House ruling distant places where people do not know you so that you can transform long before the trip to Europe.

        I later learned that there is some support for this in Vedic astrology, a system that also classifies the 12th House as ruling foreign people and locations. There is more to the definition than this but this is all that I can remember at the moment.

        Instead of going into an ashram, one can go to a distant place instead.
        I feel that strangers do not know how you have been before so you can cultivate a new persona for yourself.

        However, what you say about A-C-G is an excellent point and something I have advised for years. Clients who have a lot of planets in Cadent Houses often spend a lot of time ‘thinking about’ and not ‘doing.’ I advise that they change their time zone to pull those planets out of Cadent House, at best into angular Houses. It is a good point to make.

      • A good amplification of these points, Lynne. I did come into my own in foreign countries, but then I have Jupiter in the 12th. I was most often invited to speak in foreign countries and had foregin translations of my books in places where there were Midheaven lines for my relocated planets. For instance, I had Pluto on the Midheaven in Germany, and, some years, my book Healing Pluto Problems sold as many copies in German translation as in English. Donna

      • Donna, your comment about Germany brought a smile to my face. I used to take a suitcase filled with books to Berlin and Prague. And, I remember your great generosity in sending your Flower Essence publication to me by over-night delivery so that I could take them to Berlin, specifically to a woman who has had Multiple Sclerosis since the 1970s. She has been using many Flower Essences and I am amazed that she still gets around. She LOVED your publication!
        And, your Pluto book was very popular in Europe and I took many copies.

        Donna, there was another very basic book that you wrote in the 1970s about the Planets and Houses. Basic, yes, but it was a great eye-opener. For example, for the Houses, you said that they rule your attitude towards affairs of that House (based upon childhood experiences) and this determines your experience of that House (have I got this right?).

        This concept was so important and I used it when I first went to Prague in 1990. This non-fatalistic approach was such a surprise to the very Fated-type classical astrologers there at that time. There were even some astrologers who would classify a chart as Un-Readable. When they asked about this, I said that all charts are readable but some astrologers just do not know how to interpret the chart.

        Under a very fated political system, there were always discussions in those days about Fate and Free Will. Because the government gave them no free will, life was very fated. Even in 1990, people were standing in line outside of a small market to get bread and meat. No one thinks this way any more because they have freedom — and Malls and Super Markets!

        Your comment brought up a lot of good memories. I still travel to Europe every November. I interview the astrologers there for short articles but they are very influenced by American astrologers (especially the young astrologers or those new to astrology). The internet has brought a great Renaissance in astrology through globalization.

      • Wonderful memories, Lynne! I spent 10 blessed years traveling the globe to speak and meeting astrology folks. (I still have that passport as a keepsake.) Glad you got to do it too, and it looks like you opened some minds to new ideas and approaches to astrology.

        It sounds like you’re referring to a chapter on the houses from An Astrological Guide to Self-Awareness. When that finally went out of print, I did a total revision and update, then issued it as an ebook. Donna

  25. Am so glad to see you posting again, Donna! This series is much appreciated! Too much activity in my 12th – I long to understand this journey and my propensity toward solitude!

    MB score = INFP

    Sun (Leo), Mercury, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Uranus in 12th
    Pluto on Leo Asc

    Never felt comfortable in my Leo skin. Painfully shy as child. Developed a more ambivert tendency during middle years; but felt relief returning to solitude after a period of social activity. Felt there were no boundaries between myself and others; easily drained and needed quiet. As I approach 60, have returned to a life of quiet contemplation where I do not seek friendships and keep the ones I do have at arm’s length.

    During ambivert phase, got college degree after age 40. Founded a Habitat for Humanity in our local town, though getting up in front of people made me sick to my stomach every time. And ironically, (true to my 12th house nature), I work in one of the few institutions for the disabled left in our country.

    Thank you Donna for being out there!!

    • @ mumzifer I struggled a lot, growing up, with a Leo ascendant and a Sagittarius sun, so I think I know how you feel. But now understanding how the 12th house works ( I did more research to discover that Cancer on the 12th house can also mean a very private person,who feels deeply, but doesn’t always reveal what they feel: emotions could be buried deep, and I guess need safety to come up to the surface), in conjunction with the other elements in the natal chart, it makes a lot of sense, now.

      I am still Leo ascendant, as there are things, such as the arts and creativity, my own appearance, etc which ring true, except I’m not a”stereotype ” of a Leo ascendant (“cook book description!) and I finally accept that. I was painfully shy as a child- mid twenties; it was an effort to go out and socialise with the wider crowd, but I got out and there and gradually developed confidence, life experience and skills. I think for a 12th house person, it is just accepting it’s ok to know you need time alone, solitude, or liking being in a small group, being artistic, creative, a thinker; the problem is society appears to value extroversion, or see it as more “normal”, when in reality I am sure there are graduations of extroversion/introversion. As Ineke points out, some extroverts have elements in their charts, which are probably more inward and reflective.

    • Hi Mumzifer
      I have found that undeveloped Leos are painfully shy. This circumstance drives them inward hopefully to the Heart Center which Leos rule and there they embrace thier self esteem via unification with all that is…or the Creater Life Force which makes all exsistance one. Therefore others are you and you are others….that realization ends shyness and instills compassion.

      • You really touched me with these words, Barehand. I have Venus in Leo in the 12th house and my Ascendant is in Leo too and I have always felt that it was my mission to seek a somewhat higher expression of the Leo archetype.

      • Interesting thoughts, Barehand. And I agree with what you say, Symbol… “my mission to seek a somewhat higher expression of the Leo archetype.”

  26. My 13-year-old daughter (Venus in Libra/Moon in Scorpio in the twelfth house) took the Meyers- Briggs test this morning. She turned out to be INTJ, 100 percent on the introversion measure, only one percent between the thinking and feeling designations.
    Plus, now she is fascinated by the humanmetrics website (mercury in Scorpio in the first house). Thank you for the link, Donna!

    • How neat for a 13 year old immersed in that usual adolescent quest for finding her identity to get that kind of insight into her true self! I’ll bet it would have helped many of us 12th house types. Do show her some of the materials in the post about introverts and the 12th house. Donna

  27. I have a Moon in Taurus and Jupiter in Gemini (Retrograde) located in my 12th house. To top it off 3 planets including my Scorpio Sun are in the 6th house. I feel that this has made me a weird introvert. I enjoy being with people but I can find it incredibly draining.

    Also having Jupiter in Gemini (detremint) in Retrograde in 12th house sometimes can mean I hide my own talents and second guess myself too much.

    I really agree with this point; “Many of us find that being in the company of others—especially in groups—for any length of time can be anywhere from distracting to draining.”

    That is so me and it so true of us with 12th house placements!

    • AC, I had read Jupiter retrograde can also mean someone who will be able to be a wise advisor or counsellor to others, in later years. Or someone who has a very rich inner life, or takes a more mystical approach to religion/spirituality, or needs to find own path, rather than follow conventional spiritual paths/ wisdom. I’ve got Jupiter in Gemini retrograde, also (11th house).

  28. Indeed, I know 12th House introverts but I have to speak up on this matter, being a 12th House person myself and being a strong extrovert.

    People often confuse introversion with the quiet extrovert. I am a M-B ENTP – and the extroversion is high. When I am on, I talk non-stop but, when I am off, I am completely quiet. When others are assertive and talk a lot, I shut down (typical of the 12th House Mercury).

    When I am around a Gemini, I cannot stop talking, even when I had very bad laryngitis. But, I can just as quickly go quiet. People who do not know me well used to ask (when I am quiet) – did I hurt your feelings or it is just your 12th House planets. Yes, it was my 12th House planets in quiet mode. I cannot be ON 24/7…I need my retreat time.

    So, be careful is classifying all 12th House people as introverts as they can just as easily be quiet extroverts.

    • A good point, Lynne. Maybe there should be a new category besides introvert/extrovert/ambivert called the situational introvert. Donna

      • Oh, Donna, I identify with being a situational introvert….sometimes..lol

  29. My, oh my. I have a stellium in Cappie in my 12th. Saturn, Jupiter, and the Moon. It’s been a ride. Ride getting more intense, now Pluto is transiting my 12th. As IF………

    • Hi Sistah!

  30. So happy about all the 12th house articles and comments…I completely agree that the hardest part about it is OTHER people not getting it! If everyone understood why I crave solitude to an extreme…well, I wouldn’t have to have this SAME argument all the time about “bucking up” or “don’t be so dramatic” or “why can’t I just knock on your door if I need something?” LEAVE ME ALONE! ARGH!

    I score INFJ but maybe on the border of something else. When I was young I was so shy I couldn’t speak. Neith and I had the same situation with progressions…29 degree Libra sun went straight into Scorpio after I was born. Its still there today…

    Its interesting because now I have to be extroverted for my job as a bartender but it takes a lot of effort to project and be loud unless I’m already comfortable. It can be very draining to have small talk with people I don’t actually want to talk to. But in the end its all about charming people and my Venus/uranus in Sag 1st house seems to give me that extroverted point. Nothing much else . Sun 29 Libra 12th house, Mercury, Pluto, Saturn in Scorpio 12th..with all kinds of Neptune and Pluto strengths.

    Oh yeah and sensitivity to sound! I didn’t realize this was a 12th house thing…its pretty major with me.

    Wondering if anyone else With pronounced 12th has foot problems? Is that a question for another article?

    • “Wondering if anyone else With pronounced 12th has foot problems? Is that a question for another article?”

      6 planets in 12th … and yes, major foot problems.

      • You know, each zodiac sign has related body parts, and Pisces rules the feet, so Neptune and the 12th might by extension have something to do with them. Neptunian types tend not to be grounded, not on a solid footing.

      • I don’t know about the 12th House part but I know 2 people with Pisces Rising and they both have foot problems.

      • Neptune conj. Sun. Pisces 12th cusp. Neptune sq. MC. broke, twisted ankles, broke toes by stubbing them…mostly when I was younger. NN in Taurus. As I get older, I am conscious of grounding myself because it does not come naturally. Years ago, before studying, reading, being a member of a Healing community, I would know when I was hanging on to my forehead, metaphorically, with my toes. Much later I learned inhabiting my body felt much safe than not.

      • I had to chuckle again here. I might say that with the ruler of my Asc in the 12th I have a foot fetish. I admire beautiful feet, I think I have really nice feet, I feel that Michael Lutin has the most beautiful feet that I have ever seen on a man (and most women) and, in 1988, when I broke my foot, I sat in a chair apologizing to my foot for not treating it better (I believe in talking to my body).

        I am great saddened by feet that are treated badly. I have a friend with swelling in her feet and I feel so sorry for her feet.
        I will paint and clip toenails, requested (does not happen often though and I do have standards). This is a secret that only one or two people know about….a 12th House secret.

        My Mercury is in its Fall, Leo, so this does not make any difference. However, I feel that Mercury in the 12th affects the ears and I have ear problems since 6 months of age.

      • Lynn, I hope the friend with swollen feet has had her kidneys and heart/circulation checked. I have very swollen feet and ankles (I used to have the good looking feet you mention – slender, well-shaped – I was told I could have been a foot model) and it is due to silent kidney disease. My feet swelling were the first obvious sign of the problem. (Kidney problems -Neptune Rising in LIbra /South Node Libra/Venus over all chart ruler)

      • By Neptune rising do you mean it’s in the 1st House (as opposed to most elevated planet)?

      • Yes, Neptune is Ascending. It’s the first planet over my Ascendant in my 1st House and in a loose conjunction with my Asendant.

      • Munzifer….yes I have Neptune in the 12th house and as a little kid in Indian Deculturation camp bording school the benedictine Nun torchered my feet from spring until fall . I was about 8 years old. She festered athletes foot…soaked them in warm salt water and wrapped them up and they got real bad…then every morning ripped off the bandages, tearing skin…soaked them and re wrapped them ( no air and moist) ….during the day they cracked and bled so I couldnt stand on them. This was in South Dakota and the howling wind shook the tall tall windows and my dream life was great.
        By spring I got sick of being bed ridden and it was a special day when they carried long grass type stuff and had an unusually long Church thing…then afterwords the kids got treats they never otherwise got and had fun games. I was determined to go to the games no matter what. So I blanked my feet out of exsistence and got up , found a dress and fixed my hair and ran outside to play and I played all day . Towards evening I came in and then looked at my feet. The bandages were gone and they were completely healed. .
        I have another foot story but space and time is limited.

  31. I think the biggest misconception is that introverts are always quiet, shy and socially awkward. All through school my third house leo sun regularly got me in trouble for talking too much. Yet my twelfth house moon is deeply introverted, highly sensitive and thoroughly misunderstood. All four of my significant relationships were men with third house suns. All of them extroverted. In one way or another every relationship fell apart around this issue. “Why don’t you like my family/friends/neighbors/co-workers? They’re always nice to you!” It hurts to be criticised, judged and (incorrectly) labeled a snob. I am not passive-aggressive and controlling. The reason I don’t want to go IS because I want to stay home. And I really don’t mind if you go alone. In fact, I prefer it. Wait! That didn’t come out right …

  32. Yes, that fits. I am a Sun in Gemini in the 12th house, and my Sun is square Saturn in Pisces which is conjunct my MC and which is in applying conjunction to Neptune in Virgo conjunct my IC. In the book ‘Astrological Counseling,’ the chapter you wrote is SO descriptive of me!! I would have believed you had my chart as a reference. May 30, 1935 at 6:45 am EST–Cancer 1 degree on the Ascendant.

  33. Im also the one with 12th house and it drives me mad. I am such a loner and yet so crazy and wild around people. Something like an intro/extrovert … I’d rather be a happy person than feel so alone… even though I know loneliness is just an illusion as we are all part of the one. Still this isolation is awful. I am not sure if it’s my fault or the universe is forcing me to simply be alone.

  34. YEs, 12H sun, mercury, venus, … INFP according to Briggs Myer, lots, and lots of time alone. sometimes i cry for the sheer beauty /joy of the living world, wounds me deeply to see / hear / experience suffering in all, especially animals, small children. keep people at arms length, rejection hurts too much. very, very few know me well… Introverted for sure. am almost always misunderstood, thought of cool and aloof. My home is my castle, warm and full of books, animals, my son, his friends, art, light, etc. Gardening is a pleasure. cooking, reading, etc. too. love to learn and grow…

    • Wow! I could have written your words myself!! Also 12th house sun, mercury, venus…

      • reading the comments above finally, i see that many have Leo Asc too, as I, which is a challenge with so many planets in this so private 12H. I am a Cancer too and i can relate to so much of what has been written here. Thank God for astrology, it gives me some peace of mind…. Blessings to all on this so private and sensitive journey…

  35. Hello I wanted to comment on a Mercury in the 12th on the ascendent, in Libra. I have difficulty sharing my thoughts with people, instead I try to draw them out by asking questions. If someone asks me about myself, I have difficulty talking about myself. And being in the 12th, I think my thoughts and motivations are hidden from myself as well. I distract a lot rather than be with myself. You’d think living alone one would get to know oneself, but I haven’t. Although the more tough life experiences I have, the more I rely on an inner something that says I will deal with it on my own.

  36. Hi Donna,
    great to see you writing again. I’m so happy that you are tackling the 12th house. I have 12th h leo with sun, moon, pluto and uranus. Asc virgo with uranus conjuct. I also have dyslexia and trouble with processing info. I have trouble interpreting my chart and the associations that all these great people above are able to do with their charts. I’m finding with the current transits all in my 6th house I feel like instead of being able to hide out in my shell, I’m being unceremoniuosly dragged out into light and have no say in the matter what so ever. Is this a 12th house kind of association. Most of my other planets are in the 11th house and neptune in 2nd. Would this be why at the age of 46 I have finally been able to stand upto my bully of a mother and feel free and all the baggage associated with this is disappearing from the carousel.

    • Hello, Samantha, I was just writing about 12th house stelliums for the book on stelliums I have in process, and I can see its no easy task to master. I’m glad the series has been helpful to you. I would highly recommend Tracy Mark’s beautiful book on 12th house planets, Your Secret Self, as she goes through each of the planets placed in that house in dept. See the post about her book, part of the series of 12th house articles here. Donna

      • Thank you Donna, will do. Sounds like just what I need.

  37. I ordered The 12th House by Tracy Marks the day your post with info on the book arrived in my email – book arrived yesterday. Impressive and thank you for the recommend! With Mercury, Sun, north node and Venus glued together in 5 degree Virgo span in 12 — I needed this BOOST! Appreciated.

  38. I have ny mars in 12th house, Wich makes me a loner. I find it difficult to concentrate in a Group of people. I have tried to change, because I have been told that I’m too lonely and its not healthy. I do feel lonely, but I still prefer aloneness. I love it. I can read, write, make music and study. What can i do with people? Listen to Their problems? Deal with Their manipulative ways? I prefer to Watch movies. At least their stories are entertaining. I usually attract the most boring extroverts because im incapable of saying no to anyone. Lately though I have started avoiding them. I ve had enough. It’s not their fault but I can’t stand them anymore. Personally i love being overlooked! When someone is interested in me it ‘s usually because they want my help and i day fuck that. Im finna remain a loner for ever.

    • I have to laugh, because I’m a 12th house Sun and you sound so much like me on a bad day when I’m in a real snit about the kinds of things you describe. Donna Cunningham

  39. Hi, Donna. The more I read your articles, the more I get bigger picture of my own chart. :)

    The second and third paragraphs are really touching. Uranus in the 12th house, I’m an introverted (score 17/20 of the above quiz) and, perhaps, have been trying hard to fix it some ways.

    Sun in Virgo, Ascendant in Sagittarius. I do love travelling and I can get along with new people in a very small group or in one-to-one well. But when it comes to socialize with big groups, I have to tell myself repeatedly that there is nothing to be nervous and this will end, very soon! Even so, I often speak in shaking voice in front of the crowd. (What emphasize this behavior, perhaps are Saturn in the 11 house and the cusp in Scorpio. I’m also an Eastern Hemisphere native.)

    I have been single and spending times at home or in libraries for almost 30 years. It’s good for working but I can’t help thinking that there must be something more in life. So recently I set a goal to go out to explore new places, try new restaurants etc.every week but also alone…
    Actually, I can’t picture myself having a boyfriend and going for a date outside every week. However, It still freaked me out when my crush commented surprisingly after knowing that I go out and travel mostly by myself. It seems many men don’t get used to the idea that some women love spending times at home as well as seeing women do activity e.g. having lunch alone. :/ But for better or for worse, I don’t think I can change the way I have been soon…

    • No, we introverts can’t change and the book gives plenty of reasons to embrace it. I know I need complete solitude when I write and time to think about what I’m writing when I’m not at work on it. Over the years, though, I’ve gotten much more comfortable in social situations. Donna

  40. I proudly consider myself an introvert, although I think I’m borderline ambivert (Libra rising) these days. As a child I was very shy. I’ve become more social since I’m older, but I still prefer one-on-one versus large groups. I’m also an INFJ.

    My 12th house contains Pluto at 22°, Venus at 22° and Uranus at 27° in Virgo. I also have a 2nd house Scorpio stellium (sun, moon, mercury, Neptune).

    Writing is my ideal career, but I am not yet able to support myself financially as a writer. Sculpting is another passion for me, and I’m also a bookworm. I would love to work from home, alone, 100% of the time. Unfortunately I work for a global financial corporation, which is designed for the extrovert with team-building etc. It’s horrific for the introverted personality. I hate it.

    My home is my nest, my sanctuary. The only people I invite into my home are close family members. My best friend has only been to my home once, yet I’ve been to her home many times!

    I also do not have a Facebook page – I’m far too private to share such personal information.

  41. I have PLUTO transiting my 12th house Capricorn stellum of 0 mars, 11 saturn,16 mercury, 23 sun 24 asc.. Ouch. My 0 leo moon in the 7th house pulls me out a bit. I am an American ExPat stuck in the bush in Canada as the result of tragic marriage/divorce/custody settlement. I have lost most of my roles, my career credentials (RN/Midwife), even my children. I feel like a hostage at times to my BPD ex. Although I have learned to know myself better through this transit, and learned I am victim to so much illusory neptune stuff………my progressed Sun in Pisces……..I am starting over at 53 and do not see a clear path. For the first time in life I do not have a burning desire, a beacon of direction other than Inner. Yet I must rejoin the world somehow?

    • At devastating times like those you are going through, under such vast, life-altering transits, that’s a time to pause, grieve as need be, and patiently await the transition your soul is making. Such major outer planet transits affect us, often, through huge changes in the world, and so those like us with lots of background and skills to offer may wind up using them in a new and much-needed way, to ease the pain of the Collective in its more difficult hours.

      Hmm. I wonder if I could put that up on a billboard somewhere. I certainly need to read and reread it myself. One of my astrological mentors used to say that Capricorns were the comeback kings and could be counted on to climb that mountain one more time. Donna

  42. Thanks I will post it on the wall for now. I am drawn to two options, homeopathy and family constellation work, both pulling from my intuitive/clinical background strengths. My north node has progressed to 12th house too I see? Are thes etwo paths too airy fairy or do I ahve a choice? Trying to step into the virgo n. node path?

    • It sounds like you are drawn to service, a time-honored path, but there are so many ways to go to find your own unique path, so don’t limit yourself. Often, too, as we learn more healing approaches, we wind up combining them into our work. Donna

      n 11/24/2013 12:29 PM, Sky Writer wrote: > New comment on your post “12th House People as Introverts: the Power of Solitude” > Author : swimming through the 12th (IP: 207.216.201.75 , d207-216-201-75.bchsia.telus.net) > E-mail : cmagier@live.com > URL : > Whois : http://whois.arin.net/rest/ip/207.216.201.75

    • hey “Swimming through… Are you my twin soul? I am stunned at our similiaritys. This topic in Skywriter is my most sacred and I wish somehow we could sit in a room together and compare notes. I guess what we are doing here is as close as I can get. I invite dialogue. Feel free to write me directly. As always…Thank you Donna!

      • So glad this material is helping, Paulette. I stopped at 15 articles, though I still have a few others up my sleeve, but I thought my readers who aren’t so lucky as to have a 12th house planet or two might get jealous. ;-)

  43. I have been rereading all the posts here for what seems like the fourth time…I send you all a big 12th house hug…to share what is so deep and often secret inside here…WHEW!!!

  44. I’m so glad to have found you all. (I tried to find your story/chart by Reading back through the forum, Paulette, unsuccessfully.) Searching for answers to the NEVERENDING HOSTAGE part, it seems I’m a bit 12th house heavy on paper as well as in real life. So I was a monk in many lives, I get it, the old familiar soltitude. One big vision quest. Is this all? More and more of it with Pluto at only 11 deg? Most of my astrologer friends shake their heads and tell me to get out my feathers and do the medicine woman walk. It sounds so corny having grown up on carlos castenada, but this is who I’ve always been ! North node astrologers tell me the spiritual life is my default with south node in pisces and to not go that direction, but I feel stuck here . When I try to shift the isolation, nothing shifts. my 0 leo moon and my venus 14 sagg. jupiter 24 sagg. just want to go to the party!

    AND MUMZIFER THIS is sooo ON : I am a serious foot rehab patient , had complete post. tib tendon reconstruction. grateful for surgical success .

  45. quoting Donna “Such major outer planet transits affect us, often, through huge changes in the world, and so those like us with lots of background and skills to offer may wind up using them in a new and much-needed way, to ease the pain of the Collective in its more difficult hours.”

    certainly my microcosm reflects the macrocosm. my crisis happened shortly after Fukushima, and no end in sight.

  46. I consider myself an introvert even with just two planets in the 12th….though one is Neptune. It has been difficult to come to terms with. But with a recent visit to an astrologer for my first natal chart reading and then my investigations into astrology…maybe some thing to do with having six planets in the 9th house ….I just enjoy reading up on esoteric stuff. It’s helped me realise it’s OK being me, this time around being reclusive. Though living in a Western culture the gung ho go out and get it mentality of my peers is a tad wearing. I love your writing Donna ☆☆☆☆ :-).


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